I typically remain silent through everyone's tirades on here, but just need to speak my peace here. Seriously, stop the whining and complaining already. I have been in the game since its inception, in my 17th MFN season now. While that doesn't make me an expert or give me any sort of seniority, it does give me the complete perspective on how this game has evolved. I have never gone 16-0 or owned 10 teams, nor is that my ultimate goal. This isn't a cash game or has any real-life consequences attached to it. I have had just as many poor calls against me as I have had to my benefit. Yes, some cost me a win, but some gave me a win. Yes I have had a 99 rated "avoid fumble" RB fumble twice in a game, and 100 rated "pass catching" WR drop 3 catches in a game, but that also happens IRL. As far as I can tell, most people here enjoy playing this SIM and giving their free time to it. This will never be a perfect NFL replica, rather an awesome SIM.

That being said, there is a distinct difference between whining/complaining and giving suggestive fixes. This game has gotten nothing but better since it started. There are too many people complaining when the game doesn't quite fit the style that they want. 1/2 the people then push for change, to which JDB obliges. Then the other half aren't happy and want it changed back or changed again. This game cannot appease everyone. If you don't want to play in MFN anymore, then don't. But please stop imploring for this game to be changed another 50 ways. It is just a GAME. If anyone thinks they are such an incredible game planner, then go coach high school football somewhere. Or better yet, go create your own SIM that fits what you want. All the complaints are taking the fun out of the game. With all due respect, any post titled "Convince me why I shouldn't quit" is absurd (this isn't a slam on you personally Setherick, it is just about the title of it). If someone wants to quit, then go, but don't start negative topics bashing the game.

JDB is very clear in releasing updates and explaining them. Everyone has an EQUAL opportunity to react and adjust to them. He constantly updates the game to address the OVERALL game play issues, not everyone's pet peeves. When there is a big glitch, or an update didn't do what was intended, he is first to apologize and fix it. Adjust your game play to fit the game, don't ask for the game to be adjusted to fit your style.

So many fixes have already been implemented and upgraded to this point: punt returns, volatility ratings, passing accuracy adjustments, RB sweep plays (for those that remember these were unstoppable), player salary requirements, defensive angle of attack, countless visual/user interface enhancements, and many others.

Just take a deep breath and enjoy. This is by far and away the best football SIM out there, and gets a little better every season. JDB has done an awesome job with this, and continues to do so.

Now I'm done (drops the mic)

I agree with pretty much everything you said, except:



Here was the explanation regarding the changes to the OL:



Maybe I was being naive, but I assumed this meant Run/Pass Blocking would be more important (a good thing), not that speed would become the #1 priority for a position that runs only a few yards per play, maybe 10 on a sweep.

I also did not expect speed to be the #1 attribute for DL.

That said, I'll stop whining. This is a good game and by far the best option currently available (free or not).

Great post tecra031

seems people do need to change their preseptive about this game or their outlook on this game because this game you can say has changed between day and night.

Sure this game might have problems but the thing is if you were to make 2 categories one on the left side 3 months ago titled and where the game is now i would imagine you could tell the difference on this game has changed to the point if someone did write out how this game was 3 months ago they would see some serious changes to this game from 3 months ago to today.

also more or less if people dont like how this game is made for whatever reason they should like you said make their OWN SIM because really you could say Myfootballnow , pigskin empire , deeproute , etc. other football sims became into existence because either the person played football sims out there and didnt like them so that person went out and took a leap of faith and made their own SIM or they looked thru google or any search engine and couldnt find a football sim that met their criteria so they went out to make a football sim and made them.

BTW that isnt a attack for people to make their whole sim in your case or my case we stated just that it should want to make people to make their whole sim where really you can say there is a void of football sims .
meaning there is no high school football sim , no arena football sim , no CFL sim , etc.
It cant really hurt anyone if there is SIMS out there that where people can play all kinds of different brands of baseball , basketball , football , etc.

I got bored of tecmo and how exploitable it was. Even Madden and Madden 88' or 89' was the same i would spin my way down the field. Or was that Sports talk football with Joe Montana. Any ways i would glitch them all...not on purpose. I was 9.

By 12 i was so bored with the lack of football being played in video games... Not even knowing that i was gaming every game....i just knew the fun was gone.

What made it fun for me was not winning it was playing a life like game. Knowing that and not knowing anything about code or how to complain to EA i did just what you said.

(My big problem was convincing my mom to let me play games. She would constantly say ther was no money in video games. Boy was she wrong!)

At twelve i made my own football board game. It was complete. Gridded out just like a field and i used physics and probabilty to dictate outcomes.

It had varying types of players with different skills and sizes that had an effect also. The players were hand constructed out of clay, and for fumbles part of the probabilty of a jarring hit to cause a fumble was to throw your defensive clay figure at the ball carrier, when in range of course, to knock the clay ball out of his clay grip. (That being the only part my freind really enjoyed)

It was complex to say the least as the game was played in realtime and would take a few hours to play one game. Something that never came to because my friend got bored late in the third quarter and quit after i was winning 13-6 and he missed his two point conversion.

I gave up on that endevor and played franchise modes in every game ever since. Simulating alot of the games if not 95 percent of them maybe playing the big games to ensure a victory.

Then online gaming came and it was all one big glitch as top gamers faced each other. We are experiencing the same things in a simulation with user interaction.

I want the user to user interactions to be as lifelike as possible.

I do think i have a better chance at learning how to write code rather than convince JDB to send his game in a particular direction. Even though i feel that is all i have to offer.

That is why i say it. Only to put it out there. JDB does what he wants and is confident in his decisions. Thats crucial to developing anything great. Were all good, and the games in great shape.

This game has such promise still on the horizon.

Like my mom said which i will disagree till the end of times. There is money in these video games, and because of that there will be competion for it. If you do not change with the times someone else will.

Being comfortable at the top is not a good thing. Somebodys gonna to take you place if you do not change.

I want my hobbies to make me my majority of my cash one day.

As Kevin says on shark tank " a hobbie is not a business. If you wan to make money take it out the pasture an shoot it"

I should shoot some of mine and focus on the ones that work. Creating my own game is one of mine that should be shot.

Still, my ideas could be someone else gold mine. Some one with the right skills. Right now my vote is with JDB. I have complete faith.

While I understand and respect your post, I think this attitude is misaligned with the position the players of this game and posters on this board.

While yes, this is the hobby of one developer. It's also a software enterprise that is being shared publicly. That means that the players and posters on the board are simultaneously end users and quality assurance. End users whine when a product does not meet the expectations. We cannot claim that this is the best simulation product without acknowledging its faults and acknowledging that the faults outweigh the enjoyment of the game.

The bigger problem that I have with this "just shut up and take it" attitude is that it ignores the fact that JDB gets a lot of free knowledge labor from the posters on this board. Part of quality assurance is pointing out the things that get so frustrating for the end user (who in this case is the same person) that the end user will just throw the product away. So I'm certainly going to post a "Why Should I Keep Playing" when I reach that level of frustration because I do provide a lot of knowledge labor to the community. For instance, I have always shared what I have found out about the game with multiple communities of users since not everyone reads the main forums. Lellow would say that I share too much because I've help contribute to a number of the exploits that are currently out there.

So, really, and this is not a personal attack at all, when I see these thread, I think they are naïve. Why provide knowledge labor for free if you're not going to be vociferous when the enjoyment does not outweigh the frustration. And, currently, the enjoyment does not outweigh the frustration for a good number of users.

I do not have the time or desire to get into a back and forth with you on this topic. But since you decided to make it personal (even though you claimed it wasn't) by calling my post naive and misaligned, let me be clear on a few things for you:

- I didn't say or imply "just shut up and take it". You shouldn't generalize and be selective in your reply to further your point. I made a very specific point to distinguish what many players here do, which is provide constructive feedback and patience, versus what you do, which is spew disdain for the game and its creator.
- If there is any 'game' where I feel "the faults outweigh the enjoyment of the game", I simply go play a different game. Yes, I ackowledge this game can always improve, as with everything else in life, but it is still a fun game to play for FREE. You choose to be incredibly negative instead. You should go play another sim that suits your needs and is enjoyable for you. If you think you know better, then go do something about it.
- "I think this attitude is misaligned with the position the players of this game and posters on this board" - While people may have some frustration from time to time (i.e. MFN-1 last game where all game plans were inadvertently reset), no one has posted comments like yours. I am not sure how you came to the conclusion that only what you say is aligned with most the players, but response to this thread so far wold indicate otherwise. So the "good number of users" you claim to represent should get together and create the game you want and can go 16-0 each season, I am sure that would be way more enjoyable for you.
- JDB doesn't need your "free labor knowledge", nor mine for that matter. He clearly has developed and is continuing to refine a great game. You don't get a prize or compensation for giving feedback here, you get to be part of the community and future of the game. You aren't owed anything.
- Lellow said it best in my opinion, "Right now my vote is with JDB. I have complete faith"

You are right War Eagle. I would like my O-Lines skills to have some more impact as well. I am not sure that was the intended consequence of the update, but I am sure there will be some tweaks to it down the road as we go.

I agree this is the best available sim currently available, but it's by no means a release ready product. And that is why I will absolutely not stop "whining." We've learned more this week about pass blocking and passing accuracy in the Underweight DE thread and the Passing thread than we learned in the last year and definitely more than we learned in the code release announcement. I mean if you don't want me to push those topics publicly, I won't. But I also won't share anything with the boards anymore either.

The reasons that I wanted to quit - and the reasons that Infinity did quit - have been demystified for everyone in the game. We now know how to build an OL that will help reduce pressure on a QB. We also know what our QB's adjusted accuracy actually is and how to better maximize his accuracy in a game setting. I only wish we knew more about those accuracy penalties so that we could get even better at talent evaluations.

For me personally this game is a really cool football sim. The formulas and code used to write and/or understand how the game works is like greek to me. While I am no dummy I really don't care as long as I can enjoy the game. When I 1st joined in June I was really lost and so I read as much as I could on the forums and then sent WarEagle a PM asking a ton of questions which he answered and I surely appreciate all the advice he gave me even though he did quit writing back after I kept bombarding him with questions lol. I tried all kinds of different strategies to see what did work and what didnt. The feature I did like a lot is where you can change a players position which I have used mainly when I was in need of OL help changing FB's and TE's to OL. Perhaps this is an exploit but on the player card it gave the different positions they could play and I used that or even in the draft on the edit filter. Yes in 75 I moved a CB to DE but he was a rookie and that is how I looked at it. I would think that over the course of his career he would "bulk up" to get to a more realistic player weight. The fun for me is can I take a horrible team and make them a "contender" My 1st team in MFN was/is Miami in 31. A rebuild team for sure and this season finished 13-3 winning more games then the previous 6 seasons combined. All I am trying to do is have fun and field a competitive team. Whether its rebuilding or drafting fresh. I played plenty of games in beta some that when they hit the market were polished and others that were just trash and not ready for release. **** this game is a really good football sim IMO and I like the way jdavid is doing things. Keep up the good work bro
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