Carolina Panthers sends:
Jose Grogan (QB)

San Francisco 49ers sends:
Ralph Robison (WR)
Willie Lewis (QB)


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A big trade here between two NFC teams.

The San Francisco 49ers trade away 1970 Rookie QB of the Year Willie Lewis and speedster WR Ralph Robinson to Carolina for QB Jose Grogan. Grogan has been living out of his suitcase this season as it is his 3 team and we haven't got to week 2 yet.

I see this as a big win for Carolina with this trade. The big question is though, with Lewis being in a contract year, how much will he be looking for?

Note: This completes the trade limit between Carolina and San Francisco.

I don't understand this trade at all. If this were a voting league, I would vote to veto it. I don't see the return value for SF here.

I put high emphasis on scrambling ability to throw well under pressure. I also like having a starting QB with good enough holding. His accuracy will grow so I'm looking at this long term to hopefully put me over the hump.

San Francisco could've got more I think.

setherick reminds me that we don't have a trade rejection process in place. I was suppose to put that together after you guys voted in your Reps. I will do that in the rules section. Reps do have a trade rejection vote with 3 votes needed to reject a trade. If anyone has a trade they don't like contact your Rep along side with your guys views on trades in the trade thread.

Grogan sure made me look brilliant that game with a 155.34 QBR

All players involved in this trade showed up for their new teams this week. But yes Grogan went off. He must of read my review on the trade. lol

If I jack Scrambling up to 100, then Grogan does look like the better overall QB. To the best of my knowledge, Scramble applies on the run. I don't know if it mitigates the under pressure penalty when the QB is flat footed. I have an active question about this on the MFN-1 boards. If it works when a QB is flat footed, then I agree that this trade was balanced.

here is that thread = https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/forums/6/1427?page=1#8601

Ray pointed me to this old JDB quote.


This thread: https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/community/1/249?page=1

Scrambling was essential in the pre-0.4.1 days because of how badly pass blocking was broken and so the QB was always moving because he was always being rushed.

Pass blocking seems to be a lot more consistent - although you still see a lot of mega sack games where you sack your opponent 15-20 times - but you can usually solve those problems with adjusting OL players and not having to always rely on your QB. This is why I've deemphasized it in my weights and try not to play OL with <70 pass blocking (unless he is a rookie with a lot of potential and I want to get play experience) and ideally not <80.

Still trying to get an answer from JDB about whether Scrambling mitigates the QB being under pressure at all, which is in my opinion, the only reason that it would be as valuable as FOV anymore.