I'm sorry I may have been misunderstood. I meant Tampa lost to 3 really good teams. I understand the frustration as well. I nay have stirred the pot when I referred to Jou as a Trade whiz or whatever I said. I have posted in the forums that I have different views and don't agree with some tactics used by more than one GM. What I meant By Trade whiz Is that he rarely gets the dirty end of the trade stick. The second point is that there are so many shrewd GMs in this league who hold on to players (myself I don't trade much) that it's tough to make a deal. Kinda the only port in the storm? Jou, I mean no disrespect to you either. We had/have some trade policies some were voted out. I was more peeved about being accused of (in my words) not giving a ****. IMHO the worst thing that came out of this offseason trading debacle was that we "LOST" 2 GMs over it. That's what really SUCKS!...............................MM