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Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By jgcruz
8/02/2021 4:40 pm
When you get wily GMs, as in this league, I'd expect trading to be minimal. Trading for future draft choices is a gamble because generally you can't be sure of the quality/availability of players in a future draft. And trading someone on your roster whose qualities caused you to draft/trade for him in the first place, generally means you likely weaken your team as much as you strengthen it with the acquired player. That doesn't mean there will be no trades, I just expect there will be fewer of them. Much like RL where there are relatively few trades in the pro ranks as compared to most MFN leagues. In any event, relatively few trades maximizes the importance of the draft and free agent signings - again, much like RL.

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By Cjfred68
8/02/2021 5:04 pm
jgcruz wrote:
When you get wily GMs, as in this league, I'd expect trading to be minimal. Trading for future draft choices is a gamble because generally you can't be sure of the quality/availability of players in a future draft. And trading someone on your roster whose qualities caused you to draft/trade for him in the first place, generally means you likely weaken your team as much as you strengthen it with the acquired player. That doesn't mean there will be no trades, I just expect there will be fewer of them. Much like RL where there are relatively few trades in the pro ranks as compared to most MFN leagues. In any event, relatively few trades maximizes the importance of the draft and free agent signings - again, much like RL.


Then you get trades like the last one where:

RB 3rd year 90 speed
CB 4th year 90 speed

traded for

2nd rounder
6th rounder
6th rounder
7th rounder

So essentially a 2nd rounder landed two relatively young players with 90 speed.

Apparently the importance of speed at practicely every position wasn't understood.

Player weights were either set to default or speed wasn't weighed high enough in custom weights

Or trade score values were followed because both the default player weights and trade scores give little credence to speed.

The rule of thumb for ANY trade is:

Can I get back through the draft more then I'm giving away?

The answer with this trade is clearly No!

Maybe.....just maybe you land a 90 speed player with the 2nd rounder but he won't be fleshed out with other key attributes but neither both 6th or the 7th will garner a 90 speed player other then maybe a punter if you are lucky.

I have no problem with teams trading for draft picks and if both those players were in year 7 or 8 then I wouldn't say a thing but a 3rd year player with 90 speed will maintain that 90 speed for 5-6 seasons while the 4th year player will maintain that speed for 4-5 seasons.

That's 9-11 seasons of playing time from the 2 players for 3 throw away picks (6th and 7th rounder) and 1 2nd rounder you have to play 3 full seasons before you can draft it.

How does this improve his team??

If you are new or simply unsure about a trade....ask someone for their opinion like maybe Meatman or maybe someone else in this league or another league.

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By Meatmen
8/02/2021 5:08 pm
jgcruz wrote:
When you get wily GMs, as in this league, I'd expect trading to be minimal. Trading for future draft choices is a gamble because generally you can't be sure of the quality/availability of players in a future draft. And trading someone on your roster whose qualities caused you to draft/trade for him in the first place, generally means you likely weaken your team as much as you strengthen it with the acquired player. That doesn't mean there will be no trades, I just expect there will be fewer of them. Much like RL where there are relatively few trades in the pro ranks as compared to most MFN leagues. In any event, relatively few trades maximizes the importance of the draft and free agent signings - again, much like RL.


I agree. It has always been a tough road for those GM's attempting to rebuild. The GMs here are have always been shrewd. It's probably why the trade issue is/has been the most contecious part of the off season. No slouches here. Most have over and above avereage knowlege of Football itself. The same is true when you apply that knowledge to MFN. Most (if not all) know the nuances of MFN and the way the AI operates. I am very proud to compete with any/all of you. My interest was low fr a while, I had too many teams. I am down to 2 and actually feel invigorated. Lets have a great season folks! Good luck with camp. Don't forget Paydirt will return to it's original time 3 hour LATER right after preseaon week 4. I will never mess with the sim time again. I apologized if I messed with anyone........................................MM

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By OffensiveTaco
8/03/2021 6:31 am
I always value jcruz opinion on most matters, I think if an owner prefers to build in the draft and through the draft, then all the power to him requesting future pics! Mind you, you got to know what to do with those pics in other words, what to look for in the draft oh, I know it's a crapshoot but that's the chance you always take regardless! It's how you Coach these players up, rookies or regular players. Maybe I'm biased in my reaction here because I love the draft

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By Cjfred68
8/03/2021 7:44 am
Jcruz is a great owner in this league..I meant no disrespect to him...I'm new here and my style is unconventional so in all honesty...I should have just kept my mouth shut.

I'm sure he has a plan and his success speaks for itself so please disregard my comments about this trade.

Sorry

CJ

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By Meatmen
8/03/2021 8:38 am
The great thing about Paydirt is we all have our own opinions. There is no need to "keeep your mouth shut" or hold back on any opinions you might have about any aspect of the game. Just do it i a respectful sportsman like way. I value everyone in this league. Trust me CJ your comments were mild compared to some of the discussions over the years. Every GM is welcome to share their knowledge and thoughts as long as we respect each other. I am sure if jcruz was upset he would/will let us know. He is an awesome GM, well respected and certainly able to hold his own. no harm no foul in my book. It's training camp! Who will be the hero? Who will be the goat? who will dance the night away? Who will be all **** hurt? stay tuned ............................................MM

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By jgcruz
8/05/2021 1:33 pm
I was merely commenting on the fact that there are relatively fewer trades in Paydirt compared with other leagues and what I think is the reason for it. I take no issue with what others have said and am in general agreement with all of the comments made.

Good luck to everyone this coming season.

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By Cjfred68
8/05/2021 2:13 pm
I'm amped for tonight's game even if it is just the preseason. I finally get my 1st look at this vastly new team I've assembled and find out on some level if I've constructed a good team or a steaming pile of dogs#/+!!!

I'm thankful to be in this league and look forward to competing against you all!!!

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By Warthog
8/05/2021 5:10 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
I'm amped for tonight's game even if it is just the preseason.


I thought you were referring to the Hall of Fame game tonight!

Re: 1990 A new Decade....GG Thread

By Cjfred68
8/05/2021 5:16 pm
Warthog wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
I'm amped for tonight's game even if it is just the preseason.


I thought you were referring to the Hall of Fame game tonight!


Yeah....hahaha....I can't watch all of my own teams (Ravens) preseason games so I will watch it for a little bit but watching the whole thing definately won't happen.

I hate the Steelers obviously since I'm a Raven fan and the Cowgirls are up there with em!!!!

I'm excited football is close but I'm definately more excited for my Paydirt preseason game!!!