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Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By WarEagle
7/22/2016 8:32 am
setherick wrote:
Do the changes fix these bullshit plays where the QB goes to throw to a WR 40 yards down the field and instead drills the DE right in the chest? (For a game based on physics, the physics ****.) https://fakepigskin.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/2070#370216

Although it was an away game so crowd noise was against me, and I poorly game planned (obviously my opponents game plan was superior since he went for every fourth down and my QB couldn't complete a pass to open receivers so he obviously had the better defense), and my players don't know the plays, and really if I would just spend more time working on my OL I wouldn't get sacked so often, and if I only paid attention to the one attribute that made QBs not complete random players any given game...


You were playing Houston. Obviously JJ Watt recovered from surgery and jumped to make that INT!

In all seriousness, this does seem to happen way too often, but not as often as the BS defensive holding calls against D-Lineman who are engaged with a blocker.

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By dei1c3
7/22/2016 11:32 am
setherick wrote:
Do the changes fix these bullshit plays where the QB goes to throw to a WR 40 yards down the field and instead drills the DE right in the chest? (For a game based on physics, the physics ****.) https://fakepigskin.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/2070#370216

I have literally seen that play in the NFL. Pass is made, deflected up in the air, comes down and defender intercepts it. Try thinking in three dimensions.

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By setherick
7/23/2016 9:32 am
ibblacklavender02 wrote:
setherick wrote:
Do the changes fix these bullshit plays where the QB goes to throw to a WR 40 yards down the field and instead drills the DE right in the chest? (For a game based on physics, the physics ****.) https://fakepigskin.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/2070#370216

Although it was an away game so crowd noise was against me, and I poorly game planned (obviously my opponents game plan was superior since he went for every fourth down and my QB couldn't complete a pass to open receivers so he obviously had the better defense), and my players don't know the plays, and really if I would just spend more time working on my OL I wouldn't get sacked so often, and if I only paid attention to the one attribute that made QBs not complete random players any given game...
Bruh!! This was probably the worst example.


I can just start posting all of the examples where the Z-axis is not taken into consideration if that would help. My last game had multiple knockdowns by both teams by LBs that were in the middle of the angle of throw, but would have had to jump more than 15 feet in the air to knockdown a pass. Would that help?

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Here are four from my latest game in 2 where the player that disrupts the ball is angle on to the throw. Two of these are definitely plausible, but the other two really aren't. It makes me wonder if the QB's release is calculated at all. Or if all throws have the same basic flight pattern where the apex is more or less a static value.

https://mfn2.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/4766#875777 -- This one is not bad. QB probably tried to throw a lazer here.

https://mfn2.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/4766#875789 -- QB is throwing off his back foot, across his body to a receiver 40 yards away. (Not a good decision.) This one is iffy. I think the 6'4" 277 pound DL may be able to jump up and tip it, but the angle of the throw and distance suggest that the QB's release should have been higher.

https://mfn2.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/4766#875800 -- This one I find inexcusable. Pause the play at the moment the DB tips the pass. The 5'11" DB (with a punish of 20) is 8 yards in front of the receiver. The ball will have reached an apex and will be dropping at this point, but unless the QB is trying to throw a 30 yard bullet, the ball will still be out of reach for the DB.

https://mfn2.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/4766#875853 -- This one is also iffy. I can see a QB trying to throw a lazer here, but more likely the QB is going to try to drop the ball in front of the WR who has outside position on the DB covering him. That means the ball would have more of an arch to it, and the stud DB that knocks it down wouldn't be able to reach it.
Last edited at 7/23/2016 10:04 am

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By GrandadB
7/24/2016 11:53 pm
Saw season sack totals in the 30s, several players in our league. I'd say that is twice what it should be.

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By lellow2011
7/25/2016 12:20 am
GrandadB wrote:
Saw season sack totals in the 30s, several players in our league. I'd say that is twice what it should be.


I've seen guys with 50+ sacks.

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By setherick
7/25/2016 6:39 am
Here's another pass that the LB knocks down because he has the benefit of standing angle on: https://mfn19.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/2280#457766

To hit the receiver the QB is targetting, the QB needs to throw the ball approximately 25-30 yards down field. The ball should just be hitting the apex of its flight when the LB knocks it down. That means that the flight trajectory of this pass would have been less than say 11 feet off of the ground (6'3" LB probably has a vertical reach close to 8' and a vertical jump of between 24-36"). Considering my QB is 6'2", his release point should be between 6'8" and 8' or so. That would mean that he would basically have to be throwing the ball on a flat trajectory in order for the the LB to knock the pass down.

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By lellow2011
7/25/2016 11:38 am
GrandadB wrote:
Saw season sack totals in the 30s, several players in our league. I'd say that is twice what it should be.


https://fakepigskin.myfootballnow.com/player/6109

94 career sacks through 30 games.

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By raymattison21
7/25/2016 11:55 am
setherick wrote:
Here's another pass that the LB knocks down because he has the benefit of standing angle on: https://mfn19.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/2280#457766

To hit the receiver the QB is targetting, the QB needs to throw the ball approximately 25-30 yards down field. The ball should just be hitting the apex of its flight when the LB knocks it down. That means that the flight trajectory of this pass would have been less than say 11 feet off of the ground (6'3" LB probably has a vertical reach close to 8' and a vertical jump of between 24-36"). Considering my QB is 6'2", his release point should be between 6'8" and 8' or so. That would mean that he would basically have to be throwing the ball on a flat trajectory in order for the the LB to knock the pass down.


That was one severely under thrown ball. The WR gave up on his 10 yard flag as he approached the sideline as the play broke down. For a split second he angles toward the middle of the field. It looks as the QB threw it then and threw it bad.

I might blame that on the WR adjusting poorly as he did not react to the pass until it was blocked. He should have continued deep or cut hard to the open area. To me if he had thrown it to #12 accurately the DB would have been in position as the WR was kind of drifting inward.

The QB s inaccurate frozen rope in to the dirt that end up closer to the TE is probably the bigger problem but just to be fair I see that play happening IRL too. Just IRL it would be a lazy WR and indecisive QB. Two things not in our control here or real at all or purposefully coded, but the physics are OK IMO.

Definitely a way better example cause I had to zoom in to make sure he was not throwing to the TE who was near the apex where the ball was blocked. But no joke it looks as the pass did not go above 11-12 feet. You could say your and probably all QBS in this game have little to no touch on passes, but for some reason I think I see it and in this situation the pass was a laser for sure. Good stuff anyways!

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By setherick
7/26/2016 7:17 am
Here's another example: https://mfn2.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/4781#878608

The 6'1" LB is near the apex of the pass. The 6'2" QB sets his feet and throws. Even if he throws a dart, the apex of that ball is going to be higher than 11', which is what we used as the baseline in the last example. He's not, after all, going to throw a straight line fast ball on this play even if he throws a dart.

Re: Will Passing Ever Be Fixed?

By MC_Hammer
7/27/2016 12:22 am
setherick wrote:
Here's another example: https://mfn2.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/4781#878608

The 6'1" LB is near the apex of the pass. The 6'2" QB sets his feet and throws. Even if he throws a dart, the apex of that ball is going to be higher than 11', which is what we used as the baseline in the last example. He's not, after all, going to throw a straight line fast ball on this play even if he throws a dart.



Maybe he was throwing side armed like Jim McMahon used to?