LOL, I will say this. If anytime one of you fellers wanna offer a couple of 1st rounders, a 2nd, and like 2nd year 75-85 O-lineman in exchange for a 12th year Punter, a backup FB, and a 5th or 6th rounder, feel free to make that offer! I might go for it....maybe....LOL. Almost certain to pull the trigger on the deal if you promise to get back on the medication that I will ask about that you should have a prescription for!

This is very different from the 'case' that the OP was making. In fact, he didn't really make a case, he gave a very vague description of a Trade with no context and flaws in the description.

I'd absolutely call that trade you describe as Imbalanced, but I don't know anyone that would accept that Trade either. Nor do I think you can get that Trade to be allowed by the Trade Bar.

Pretty simple, you can say what you want about an owner making an advantageous trade, which is fine and should be so. BUT... when one owner has a pattern of rapidly improving a team with a high number of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in a short period of time, that is a whole different situation.

I mention Bling because his teams stood out on pure numbers vs other teams in the same league. Being new, I was looking at who was winning and how it was being done. One of the factors is the high rated players that a team has. The other is game plan and strategic rules.

How do you get a team in 3 seasons or less to have so many 80 and 90 + players?

just 2 of several examples 1. Chicago, MFN 2, 24 players 80+, 7 players 90+. 3 first round and 2 second round draft choices coming up in 2023 season. Take a look at future draft picks, all acquired from Pittsburg, who finished with worst record in league making all those picks extremely valuable, first in each round.

2. San Francisco, Cust 17, 25 at 80+, 3 at 90+. 3 first round and 2 second round draft choices coming up in 2023 season. Anyone else on this thread have 3 first rounders & 2 seconds or better next draft? If so, what did you give up to those choices?

Being new, I was looking forward to playing until I started looking at the different teams and leagues and saw this pattern of "super teams" being built on unbalanced trades taking advantage of teams that for whatever reasons, including being totally controlled by one owner, were letting their top picks go for far less value in existing players. Now, Im not sure I want to put a lot of time and effort into playing a game fairly and trying to compete with those who are using the trade feature to gain a significant advantage. Same ol, same ol. a few bad apples spoil it for the bunch. There are some people, who cant be satisfied with winning one or two leagues in this game, and others.... they have to win them all and completely dominate the game or they are not happy.

Good point Brrexki, I would like to be able to review a trade in depth to see what kind of value was given for a 1st or 2nd rounder, especially picks in the top ten, which have been traded.

How many 80 and 90 rated players do you have on your rosters? Denver, which you have had for 3 yrs has 12 and 6 (3 rookies! great draft!), Cleveland, which is second season for you?, has 6 and 6 (3 are rookies!, nice draft again!!, 2 are 2 yr, and 1 3yr) and Blings average is over 20 that are 80+ and several 90's. He is not the only one, just the one that stood out being in several leagues and dominating each. Basically over twice the number of 80/90 players on the "average" team that does not win its division. Some teams have only 1 90 and 3 or 4 80s, and their won/loss records reflect that, they lose.

It looks like you have figured out how to get 3 first round draft picks also. So that makes it more understandable why you would defend the ability to do so.

Acquiring Picks is a Strategy. Acquiring Players is also a Strategy. If a Team is looking for Vets that are already Developed... why would they not Trade Picks for them?

I mean, you have to give up Talented Players to GET those 1st Rounders, right? It's not like some one is sending of a 47/47 FB for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd Round Pick.

Again, you dodge the question. What was GIVEN to acquire the Picks?

Please, LINK THE TRADES. You say that people are stupidly giving up High Draft Picks for Players not worth it. But you don't show me the ACTUAL TRADE.

I've asked for this, numerous times now.

I'm not saying the situation you describe doesn't exist, I'm saying you aren't showing me an actual real example of this.

It doesn't matter that Teams acquire a lot of Picks... that's fine. Where that would be Unethical is if they were FLEECING Teams to do so. You haven't shown this to be the case.

So please, for the love of all things 'fair and ethical', show me the actual example where it was a Fleece Job to acquire a bunch of High Draft Picks.

I have 16 Games on Denver, I took them over in the 2022 Play Offs, so I've had 2 Drafts with them.

2022 I traded away a 1st and 2nd Rounder for a very good DT, which allowed my Very Good DTs to move to DE. The problem is, I didn't know the game very well, my DTs were Slow, so they weren't good DEs.

So I traded away the DT I had traded for to try to recoup. I also moved an Ineffective but Highly Rated QB... apparently I can't craft an Offense for QBs yet (which is what Cleveland is about in League 72, trying to build a Passing Offense).

But let's look at Phillip Bolden, Samuel Shepard and Vasquez... those Rookie 90's. I Drafted Shepard with the 5th Overall, Bolden was my Target but was taken 4th. So... I traded guys to get more Picks, and AFTER the Draft I made Offers for Bolden and Shepard (and Bradford, but that was declined and I don't have the ammo to get him. Well, I do, but I'm not selling off the rest of my Drafts).

I worked my *** off to get those Players, and the Teams that gave them to me have Multiple 1st and 2nd Round Picks for them.

I've done this in 2 Off Seasons (next is building the Offense, which needs some OL Love before I put in Skill Positions).

Now, how long has Bling been playing? With his experience he should be able to turn Rosters much faster than me. And he won't make mistakes like my first Big Trade for that DT (who, to be fair, is a Stud... KC didn't fleece me, I sent them the Trade. I was just thinking of MFN in Real Life Terms, so he wasn't the force I though he'd be... and I got about the same value out of moving him as I spent getting him).

This is what I'm saying, in my deals I've given High Picks... but I gave them either for Young Beasts (the 94 DT in who was 26) or for High Rookies, like Bolden and Vasquez. Velesquez? Big Daddy V. That's what I call him, much easier to write. :D I've also flipped some Solid Vets for High Picks, because I'm on a Youth Movement.

So I'm asking to be shown where these Deals you are talking about were not Fair for BOTH Teams, because that is the ONLY THING that matters about a Trade, that it's reasonable for both sides.

You cite Bling... what did Bling give up for what ever Picks he acquired?

I'm begging for an example, so that I can see for myself if it was a 'fair trade' or not (and even then, that would be with out Context, I'd need to know what both sides were thinking when agreeing to the terms).

You can view all Accepted Trades, they are put into the League Forum. So please, look it over and show me a 'Fleece Job Trade'.

The point I'm making is that it requires having Talented Players to GET those Draft Picks Traded TO you... they aren't just gift wrapped for free.

Being able to idenfity Talent in the Draft is a Skill, apparently Bing is good at it. We had a Top 5 Pick (#2 Overall) get DESTROYED in Camp... sometimes you miss. All 3 of the LBs (Bolden was an LB I moved to DE) dropped in Camp... but still over 90's so I'm good with it. Still worth Top 5 Picks to get.

Some players **** at the Draft... and would rather a Vet they can count on than a Pick that loses 10 Points in Camp and goes from 100 Speed to 70 Speed at CB.

You have to look at HOW teams are built in PERSPECTIVE.

I would like to do that, or you can tell me how to show a full trade. Look at Pittsburg in MFN 2, will start there, what did they get for the 3 first round picks they gave up?, they will be drafting at the end of each round after getting the picks from Chicago. Will be interesting to see what was traded by both sides. Is Pittsburg even playing? they were 1-15 last season. or are they an account controlled by the existing player who got the benefit of the trades? I dont know, thats why Im asking, as it does not figure from "first look".

OK, lets take a closer look at Pittsburg, MFN 2. The owner is "war 152". He has played for 5 seasons, with a record of 15-56, no playoffs. Excluding the kicker & punter, he has four players rated higher than 80, and 2 90 rated players, way under average. I guess the trades have not worked very well for him. When I look at the transactions and put on the trade filter, it does not show any of the trades with Chicago. In fact, it looks like Pittsburg is a team that is doing favors for those who are in the favor of the person controlling the team, who also gets consideration in return for other trades more than likely. Im guessing that if you follow the trades, it will reveal what has been going on. OK, lets see if I can find what Pittsburg gave their #1's up for, because it sure doesnt look like much based on their current team roster and their constant losing record. Oops, the transaction record only goes back to the 2022 season, does not show those trades. But, the trades that are listed show that all four players traded from Pittsburg over the last 5 seasons were 90 and above rated players. What do you want to bet that Pittsburg will be finishing last or next to last over the next couple of seasons? Doesnt something smell pretty fishy to you at this point Brrexl?

Brrexl, you are the kind of player that I want to play with :), who loves the game, and plays fair, works hard at improving his team and ability, and appreciates the improvements based on effort. The kind that I dont want to play with are the ones who are manipulating leagues by controlling one or more other teams to effect favorable trades and basically "hack" an advantage. From "first look" through the leagues, there are only a few that make you wonder about it as their teams player ratings are way out of proportion to the rest. I guess, if nothing else, if you think you have someone playing unfair in the league, you can move on to another or just put up with it.

That's why I love the Abandon button.

I typically operate under these standards for trading:

- no power teams
- no dynasty teams
- no future year draft picks .. Id rather see what I'm getting and hope a player drops. Then wondering/hoping for a good pick the next season or two.

Exceptions are of course if the needle is in the red in my favor .. lol

"The point I'm making is that it requires having Talented Players to GET those Draft Picks Traded TO you... they aren't just gift wrapped for free."

I agree, and that is the way it should be, but, I would say sometimes not, as in the case of "The Big Dump" trade btw Chicago/Bling & New Orleans/jl1980.

BTW... have you noticed that the teams that are trading away their top draft picks and players in MSN 2 to Bling & others have initials & and number for their owner name? makes me go hmmmmm. In addition to jl1980 who is 0-8, there is rjn1969 and fsu1314, who each are 1-7. Yeah, may be coincidental, but still makes me go hmmm. CB Dew is a killer CB 94/94 with super attributes, he was traded from SF/fsu1314 to Pittsburg during midweek 5 current season. Then Pittsburg traded him to Atlanta, a contending team. Huh??? The point is, Pittsburg follows the pattern of teams that are trading away their top draft picks and their top players and not getting anywhere near the same value in return. Show me the trade. What is a 5 yr corner like Dew with 100 speed, 100 punish, 99 zone & 96 m2m, 100 tackle worth??? a helluva lot from what Ive been told by existing players. Heck, he could be good for at least 2 wins that the team normally wouldnt get, just by shutting down the other teams #1 WR. Why would anyone trade a top player like that away? At a crucial position? Where they dont have anyone anywhere near close to those ratings in their secondary?

Okay, back fo the the dump trade. Six players were traded by Chicago to New Orleans during the late FA period 3 for the 2027 season. Here's the group: FS Booth 11 yrs. 63/63, RG Burns 12 yrs, 70/70, Martin RT 10 yrs, 79/79, McAdoo RG 8 yrs, 72/72, Stone DT [b]15 yrs 40% retire[b] 81/81, RDE Vasquez 14 yrs 79/79.

Two of the players Stone & Vasquez were 15 and 14 yr players. the others were 8, 10, 11,and 12. If jl1980 had a use for these players, it sure did not reflect that in the game results and record. This trade was a "dump" of players that Chicago/Bling had not more use for and two of them ready to retire. Did they improve New Orleans? again, not when you look at the game and record results. Was it a bad trade? I dont know as I dont see what Chicago got in return, which were draft picks. Is jl 1980 just a person who (a) does not make good trades and (b) does not produce good game plans and control strategy? Maybe, but... why would anyone keep playing for five seasons taking a beating every season? What is goin on there? Masochism? lol. Even the team I took over initially, with a bad roster of low rated players, won 4 games with the AI managing it.