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Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By setherick
2/15/2017 9:53 pm
mikecouil wrote:
lellow2011 wrote:
I see nothing wrong with going for it on every 4th down, you do so at your own peril but if you believe it's going to give you a better chance to win then I see no issue with it.


There is a high school team in texas that kicks an onside kick every kickoff and goes for it every 4th down. I haven't kept tabs on them in years but they had gone like 5 years straight without a loss. It's a high risk/high reward strategy and I see nothing wrong with it. You see it far more often at the high school level. My high school coach used to tell us "If you can't put it in from 2 yards out you don't deserve the ball." We went on it in 4th and less than 5 probably half the time and were quite successful.


The article posted above talks about the high school team that doesn't punt. I tend to find the statistics that most of those studies are based misleading on principle. The issue that I have is that the statistical data is inherently skewed because common practice is to punt unless going for it is situationally advantageous or a team is desperate. In those cases, you're going to see more teams make the fourth down than not, which will skew the data toward going for it on all fourth downs.

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
2/15/2017 10:25 pm
Here's an interesting study that shows that NFL coaches may be too conservative.

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/11/28/fourth-downs/post.html
Last edited at 2/15/2017 10:26 pm

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By mikecouil
2/15/2017 11:23 pm
setherick wrote:
mikecouil wrote:
lellow2011 wrote:
I see nothing wrong with going for it on every 4th down, you do so at your own peril but if you believe it's going to give you a better chance to win then I see no issue with it.


There is a high school team in texas that kicks an onside kick every kickoff and goes for it every 4th down. I haven't kept tabs on them in years but they had gone like 5 years straight without a loss. It's a high risk/high reward strategy and I see nothing wrong with it. You see it far more often at the high school level. My high school coach used to tell us "If you can't put it in from 2 yards out you don't deserve the ball." We went on it in 4th and less than 5 probably half the time and were quite successful.


The article posted above talks about the high school team that doesn't punt. I tend to find the statistics that most of those studies are based misleading on principle. The issue that I have is that the statistical data is inherently skewed because common practice is to punt unless going for it is situationally advantageous or a team is desperate. In those cases, you're going to see more teams make the fourth down than not, which will skew the data toward going for it on all fourth downs.


Flawed logic. If a team is going for it on 4th down it's ALWAYS because it's advantageous or they are desperate. That's the whole point of it. It isn't going to matter if you go for it in the 1st quarter or the 4th quarter, you are going to see the same kinds of odds of making it. If anything, you might have MORE of a chance in the 1st quarter against a team that hasn't figured you out through the course of the game and your stars are fresh.

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By Gustoon
2/16/2017 12:55 am
lellow2011 wrote:
I see nothing wrong with going for it on every 4th down, you do so at your own peril but if you believe it's going to give you a better chance to win then I see no issue with it.


Have you ever played Madden online?

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By parsh
2/16/2017 3:38 am
Back on point .. I agree with the OP:

4 games in .. 44 Accuracy:

Att 179
Comp 95
Pct 53.1
Yds 1,537
Yds/Att 8.59
Sk/Yd 14/101
TDs 12
Int 3
Lng 80
Rat 97.45

https://cust10.myfootballnow.com/player/4836
Last edited at 2/16/2017 3:40 am

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By Bryno
2/16/2017 10:33 pm
parsh wrote:
Back on point .. I agree with the OP:

4 games in .. 44 Accuracy:

Att 179
Comp 95
Pct 53.1
Yds 1,537
Yds/Att 8.59
Sk/Yd 14/101
TDs 12
Int 3
Lng 80
Rat 97.45

https://cust10.myfootballnow.com/player/4836


So then which attribute has an effect upon tendency to throw/not throw interceptions?

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By setherick
2/16/2017 10:54 pm
Bryno wrote:
parsh wrote:
Back on point .. I agree with the OP:

4 games in .. 44 Accuracy:

Att 179
Comp 95
Pct 53.1
Yds 1,537
Yds/Att 8.59
Sk/Yd 14/101
TDs 12
Int 3
Lng 80
Rat 97.45

https://cust10.myfootballnow.com/player/4836


So then which attribute has an effect upon tendency to throw/not throw interceptions?


Accuracy -- it's a catch 22. A QB with low accuracy is going to complete fewer passes, but he'll miss so badly that he'll miss everyone. A QB with high accuracy is going to complete more passes, but he'll also throw closer to defenders when he misses throwing into double coverage.

Really, Intelligence and Discipline should prevent QBs from forcing the ball into double coverage, but they don't really do much in this game.

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By setherick
2/25/2017 7:34 am
This just in: 28 accuracy QB (he's improved) throws 9 TDs in 100 point blow out win: https://cust78.myfootballnow.com/box/view/233

Through 11 games, he still doesn't complete 50%, but his TD:INT ratio is 40:14. I bet all y'all with 100 accuracy QBs would love that ratio. (I know I would.)
Last edited at 2/25/2017 7:36 am

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By Jake-Attack03
2/25/2017 2:27 pm
They should fix this
Last edited at 2/25/2017 2:27 pm

Re: QBs don't need Accuracy

By setherick
2/25/2017 5:11 pm
Jake-Attack03 wrote:
They should fix this


It's supposedly in the works in MFN-1, but it is still in unit testing.