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Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By WarEagle
11/09/2024 7:38 pm
I have the max number of plays selected for both O and D. Always have, always will.
My goal is to try to win while managing my team in a realistic fashion, not win by any means necessary.

If this is going to be another league where we have owners playing CB on the DL / WR on the OL, or using only a handful of plays, I might as well drop out now. I'm not interested in that type of league.

There's still time to find another owner before the draft, so please let me know if I should leave. It won't hurt my feelings, and I would actually appreciate the honesty before I get too invested in this team. I'd rather not find out the hard way and then have to leave mid-season. That's not good for anyone.

Thanks


Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By Kababmaster
11/11/2024 12:52 am
GrandadB wrote:
Kababmaster wrote:
Why not just use the rules provided?

Apart from subscription-based model, this also is having a negative impact on the game.


Not sure I understand, what rules are provided? The Ai controls roster size, sal cap, and playbook by coach selection. Thats about it, as far as what comes to mind. There are no controls on positioning, which is the primary issue that leagues have had to use rules to prevent rosters from being half of more WRs and CBs. Some dont care either way. Myself, I prefer more of a simulation and challenge as far as roster management. The other issue is extremely limited play use, especially on defense. Which is why there were leagues that had the full play selection and minimum use rules, they were more of an honor system than anything else, owners were contacted when they were out of compliance and it took additional time/effort to prepare. And like the position rules, there were those who preferred diversity or more of a RL simulation along with those who did not like having to put in additional time and effort above minimum. Hopefully, both of these issues are going to be resolved by JDB in the very near future, otherwise his goal of creating a simulation to the RL pro game is going in the other direction, becoming less of a simulation and more a repetitive roster and play selection/use game.

In the meantime, I would suggest that any rules be simple and clear and make as much sense as possible, just common sense. In that regard, the only rules we have would be positional, like not putting a WR at TE1 or 2. Or a CB at LB or DE. Its purely a speed exploit, player weight has no bearing other than on speed. When a CB gets a sack in RL football, its off a blitz, not from the DE position. When you look at a RL football roster, its not dominated by WRs and CBs. Its been an ongoing issue for over 5 years in this game, same as the issue of using less than four defenses for the entire game.

The FB/TE positions are the ones most closely related in RL Pro football. Here is what I found on google search. "While the fullback (FB) position is not completely gone from the NFL, it has become significantly less prevalent in modern offenses, with many teams opting to use a tight end or H-back in a similar role instead, meaning the traditional fullback is rarely seen on the field as frequently as in the past; essentially, the position has largely faded from the game."

I would say 90%+ of the offense plays now in the RL NFL use 1 RB or none, with 4 and 5 receiver formations, and a lot of motion (which helps the QB read the defense). My preference is to have 1 FB on the roster and at the FB1 position, TE or RB at the FB2, 3, and 4 spots.


My opinion is that a GM should not change or put ANY restrictions on ANY team (well, maybe to have a P and K on the roster). I also think a GM should be in a monitoring Role, not an enforcement role (except unfair trades).

I would like to have the ability to start a player anywhere on the roster that I choose—after all, I am paying to play.

Had I known before joining this league that - you can't do this - or you can't do that....well, that does not sit right with me TBH.

Happy to hand off the team - or see this team through the draft etc - but if I'm "told" what I "have" to do or that I'm restricted from positional changes etc - then that is not why I cam here.

No disrespect intended to anyone - just my 2 cents....and firmly held belief.

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By IoanBlood
11/11/2024 7:09 am
Just my 2 cents: If you want to have a player on a different position then do so. However, you then should convert that player to the new position.
Otherwise it would be rosters like: All Backfield, TE and WR are only WR, all O-Line will be C, all Defense will be CB. It's always meant to use the speed-weight priority over all other skills.

That should not be.

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By Action-Jackson
11/11/2024 10:45 am
I see the problem with having rules for positions is that they inevitably get broken either intentionally or by accident. I saw it multiple times this season and have examples. It's possible I did it myself by accident. So if you're playing by the rules you'll be punished for it but frankly who wants to police this? I found rules violations by accident after trying to analyze games.

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By Dogboyuk75
11/11/2024 12:02 pm
agree 100% with ioan play who you want whereever but convert player to that position my guess is without the advantage of weight/speed guys wouldnt change positions,its done to manipulate game engine

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By TheWitchHunter
11/11/2024 12:32 pm
Wareagle: I have the max number of plays selected for both O and D. Always have, always will.
My goal is to try to win while managing my team in a realistic fashion, not win by any means necessary.

If this is going to be another league where we have owners playing CB on the DL / WR on the OL, or using only a handful of plays, I might as well drop out now. I'm not interested in that type of league. [/quote]


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[quote]Kababmaster: I would like to have the ability to start a player anywhere on the roster that I choose—after all, I am paying to play.


i run max # preseason, and whittle down. I add and remove plays. I over-ride and adjust over-rides. I work within formations for O and D lines blocking. I end up with about 20 O and D plays by the end of regular season.
It does not matter what personnel or what overs I use - it's always the same plays. This really bugs me. It also bugs me when I see my human opponent using 9 or less plays - but I dern sure know how they got there and accept it. It ain't my opponent's fault; the elimination of less desirable results is what active players actually do.

There's just not enough plays that work, and not any plays that can be "worked" through overs to increase the opportunities of desired yardage results. There's just not.

They are 100% right, for all the same reasons I mentioned above.

No idea how to fix plays, but if there were more plays in MFN that actually worked, there would be less player substitutions, and less user manipulations necessary.

By golly though, If I want to stick a punter at FS i definitely should be allowed to so, paying or not. That said, I'd rather have enough viable plays so I never, ever would consider doing such a thing.

Last edited at 11/11/2024 12:36 pm

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By WarEagle
11/11/2024 12:38 pm
Hmm. I wonder if there are any fast punters!

It will be nice when JDB finally gets around to some real improvements.

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By TheWitchHunter
11/11/2024 12:54 pm
I actually do consider spd/acc (at a 1 weight) for my P/K. at some point they might be involved in a tackle, so they better be able to get there. No, I don't value tackle haha. I do value str, i think it's related to P/K str improvement over time even though str itself is a static ability...
I think but I do not know. Not one bit.
edit: I also think p/k acceleration helps the kicker kick the ball before the team hits the line and prevents p/k offsides.
Loonies be loonies.
Last edited at 11/11/2024 12:55 pm

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By Kababmaster
11/11/2024 10:16 pm
So, can we get a clear and concise outline of what is allowed/expected for the upcoming season, before the draft please?
Last edited at 11/11/2024 10:20 pm

Re: Preparation for 2004 and a new beginning

By TheWitchHunter
11/13/2024 9:32 pm
https://paydirt.myfootballnow.com/forums/1/2511?page=1#14720