Like it or not, its still a rule in this league. Make a proposal in the offseason to get rid of the rule and the league can vote on it.

(I fully support abolishing this rule. ;-) )

Good bye

I believe the rule was put in place because some owners were trading all their picks then abandoning their team after only a season or two which makes refilling the ownership difficult.

I'm not saying you will do that here but looking at your owner card...there are several leagues where you only stayed 1 or 2 seasons before leaving. And that's a poor representation because you were probably in 2 to 3 more leagues over the years that have gone into the ether!!!

Again....I'm not saying you will do that here but that was the rational behind it.

I have 3 leagues (one roster only) where I only stuck around for 1 or 2 seasons...everyone with tenure has some quick exit leagues.

Personally when I look to acquire a new team...the 1st thing I look at is the next 3 seasons draft picks to make sure the previous owner didn't mortgage the future. When I joined this league, I asked for clarification of the league rules since this was a long term established league and I didn't want to accidentally violate one.

It's sort of an empty gesture since Atlanta has exactly 3 draft picks the next 3 seasons but he has a 1st so he is good.

I did not institute any rules by myself. They were either here when beercloud began the league or voted in. I only turned on the trade meter and instituted a policy that any one with less than 1 year in MFN had to wait 30 (RL) days to trade. We had (what I felt) were some shenanigans going on with new owners taking teams and trading top picks and players away then leaving. I set up a thread for discussion of trade rules even hosted a Live event on the chat. Only two GMs tuned in or participated in the thread. CJ and Grandad has added this season. ....................MM

Sorry to see ric quit over it, was coaching him on what he could do to get his offense goin, the Saint defense was tops. It was a healthy trade for both teams, but neither of us were aware of the rule about first round picks. Unless I trade for a 1.5 first or better, which is really not very likely as I only have a couple of players that are over 1500 trade value, I would not get the opportunity to get a player of that level. The Giants were handicapped with low values on their draft picks, which is why I had to use the 2 first round picks in the deal for WR Sanchez. which was a good deal for both teams. If I had been aware, I would not have done the trade using the last first rounder in the first place and I apologize for my lack of diligence in reviewing league rules, one of my weaknesses in the game. I completely understand why the rule was made in the first place for this league, due to the abuse and over-accumulation of 1st round picks by a couple of individuals, it was ridiculous. This is the first time that Ive had the situation come up about trading all the first rounders for the next 3 rounds, but it was a very good trade for both teams, those of you who know me know that I dont rip off teams/owners who are struggling with bad deals. So, thats all I have to say about it, not happy about it, but thats the way it goes, and will keep tryin to improve my team the best way I know how and hopefully no more rule barriers. I was not trading for short term, I assure you. I really like my team and league. cheers

I too apologize for having to take a tough stance. I had several PM's about it. I was not tryimg to pick on you or make you look bad. I have always agreed with the philosipjy that this was a GM driven league. I liked that If you don't like the a rule or what ever you can propose to add or ablish a rule in the off season. It will then take effect the following season. If we want to ammend the rule in question we can propse a rule change, it will have to have a second, then put it to a vote in the off season. We could stipulate that the rule take effect immediately. I am very upset that ric money has left. Yet another GM has deeparted over TRADES!?!? This issue remains Paydirts curse.............................................................MM

That was a part of it CJ, but the primary reason was that a couple of owners were accumulating 3 and 4 first round picks for 2 or 3 seasons in a row. There was also a previous LA who did not like seeing teams trade their first round picks, especially 1.10 or higher, for 8 yr vets or older. Which I agree with, there's a big difference in value and long term depending on the level and age of the players involved. There's also the issue of where the first round pick that was traded is going to end up on the board, and in my case that is most likely between 1.25 and 1.32, so the issue of "mortgaging the teams future" is not an issue at all, and that depends on the individual team owner. In 5 years of playing this game, I havnt had a losing season with a team that Ive had from the start of a season, including 8-8 with a team of nothing but 1 yr contract FA's that no other teams wanted. If I can get an elite level player that has 6 yrs or less for a 1st round pick that is valued less than 800, that is a deal that Im going to consider, especially for key positions. LB is not one of the two most key spots for me, but, I believe that the trade would have improved the Giant defense. One of the worst trades I ever made was in Paydirt, for QB "Big Deal" Davis when I had the Packers. So, sometimes they dont work out as hoped, thats the risk and the fun of trading. In this particular case, I think the trade was a win/win, just did not know about the rule.

Myself as well, we will have to make a proposal and put it to a vote in the of season. I will create a fresh rules proposal and debate sticky thread during the post season. I will revisit ALL
of the current rules, and comb throught the afore mentioned threads seeking further clarification. I also want to officially clarify the meaning of "Primary Position". I am going to run it by the competition commitee today. The trouble is, some feel that there are TOO MANY rules and some feel there are TOO FEW!.


Why? Because this league, more than any other I have been in is so damned full of really knowlegeable, passionate, aggressively shrewd GM's. It's tough to rebuild a team here. No one wants to give another the slightest advantage. I feel for guys that join this league and have to start over BC you will not find any sympathy in Paydirt. The only place you'll find sympathy here is i the dictionary somewhere between S**t and Syphillis!

As the League Admin I don't feel it's my job to "make or umake" rules. In keeping with the leagues creators idea. It is upto the GM's (you are not owners) in this league to propose rule changes. It's up tio me to uphold the wishes of the majority vote. There are now 49 active leagues. There are plenty of leagues that you can go to and do what you wish or follow their rules. I always believed the rules were adopted beause of the abusses of the old public leagues.

What I have learned about trades in the past 5 years (RL) is that some one will alway have an issue, different GMs have different weights, different approaches, they have a differing set of eyes when it comes to player values, play calling, every little thing becomes a huge issue. Especially when a GM feels like he/she may have missed out on a trade or pick? Some get angy, all butthurt and then someone feels attacked, goes ballsitic and we regress into Hockey players? GOD forbid! ( Iknow I'll get some flack for that, lol). (I am from PGH amd was a hockey fan waaaay before Mario, when the Penguins couldn't buy a win!) Point is that is just a game, not a life altering event. One thing my hosptial trip and subsequent retirement has taught me is that life is too short, it can change at any second. Yes, If you're going to do something, DO IT, BE THE BEST, NEVER STOP UNTIL YOU REACH YOUR GOAL! ****!

Always remeber that your health, family, and happiness comes first. Oherwise, when the celebration bell rings..................the sound will be hollw.


OK that concludes todays sermon lol.............................................................................................MM

You went off on quite a tangent....everything you said is true...you've been here way longer than me.

It's a rule....doesn't mean I agree with it.

Part of the problem is having the trade meter on which creates bad trades....turn it off and you get bad trades because some owners just don't understand what players are actually good and which one are bad.

No matter what you do...there are gonna be bad trades.

This isn't my league and I joined asking what those rules are so I didn't break any.

I think your trade was as good one...clearly you aren't patient and wanna win now so it worked for both teams but there is a rule against it for some reason.

I know an owner in one of my leagues who never drafts in the 1st round (Like 9 out the last 10 drafts), in fact he rarely drafts earlier than the 5th.

It works....he gives up lottery tickets for proven players who has already boomed or busted. He gets a player with no question marks for a hope and a prayer!!!!

I also draft in the late 1st round but those picks have value.

I rarely ever void trades because even when you do it to help somebody that got fleeced. They typically aren't thankful and appreciate the help, they are upset that you are talking down to them.

You can't help someone that doesn't want help but not every owner is a Smirt, Setherick or GrandadB so I comment on trades with my honest opinion and will only help owners who directly ask for it.

Everyone knows you are a great owner but it wasn't really about you...just a rule that exists for whatever reason.

If I'm upset about anything, it's that in a Conference with one of your minions who you have taught well plus you too who never has a losing season.

Just like you didn't like owners who traded with Atanta to give them more talent....I could say the same about someone trading with you to give you superstars....doesn't everyone know you are clearly a better owner then marinarul10 because you are the master and he is the apprentice???

But in the end I don't care one bit...if we play...I either win or lose and life goes on. I rarely even know who I'm playing my next game...I just concentrate on my team and let the best man win.

Right now, my concern is my passing game and upping the production big time!!! It's way below my standards

Understand what you're sayin CJ, and you are also one of the consistent winners across all of your teams, and its obvious from the one season turnaround that your have done with the Vikes. So, just so everyone who takes the time to read posts in these threads knows and maybe gains more knowledge from, here is what I did and tried to do with the trade for Saint LB Colton.

I had a unique situation with the Giants, both a roster with very few players with trade values over 1000, and the picks were much lower in trade value than they should have been for a 3 win team, simple as that.

Not knowing about the trade rule, I went all out to get the best I could trade for to make the Giant roster more competitive with the goal being playoff standard/level. Even if I had of known about the rule, that would not have stopped me from the trade for Sanchez, which took 2 of the 3 first round picks. Sanchez's trade meter value is 2340, and is in his 3rd year. That took two first round picks valued at 650, and a second round valued at 314, and an overvalued RB (by my weights) valued at 703. The throw in pick had a higher trade meter than either of the first round picks!!! This is what Im trying to convey about when its a good idea to try and trade a first round pick or more versus using that pick in a draft where you are picking low in the round. You give up 2 - 5 seasons that you get with a rookie vs a vet, but you gain significantly for 4 or more seasons. That was my best option with the Giant roster, there were key needs to be filled and I did not know that I could not use all my first round draft picks to get that done. Both trades were fair, win/win's for both teams, and the teams involved were not previously playoff teams, so there was no relation to what had taken place with first round picks previously in Paydirt, which resulted in the creation of the first round draft pick rule.

So, thats all there is to it. sometimes a rule can be both good and bad. Its never my intention to cause unrest, concern, or controversy in this game or anything else, but I have and when it has happened it has been due to an oversight on my part, or lack of good judgement, and I learn from it. I spend way too much time on this game, hopefully that will change in the near future, lol, Ive got a lot of other things that I should be spending more time on, so I also question my decision and sanity to spend as much time on MFN as I do.