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Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Miami Dolphins

By Salty_Watermelon
12/19/2019 8:21 am
Whoever trades with anyone, regardless of GM involved, feels this way - GM A is happy, and GM B is happy. Both helped their team.

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Miami Dolphins

By 50051139
12/19/2019 8:35 am
Lucky wrote:
Lucky wrote:
jouameng wrote:
Lucky wrote:
Its a bad spot cause really you can't say much about it, it was a bad trade for you right? But then you see that same person making 20% of the trades in the offseason with an all pro team and 10 first round picks and for me, it's easy to see how people might go a little vigilante..


Everyone does understand that my out of my 8 1st round picks, 6 of them was from pick 19 and later right? Sure, it doesn't make any difference because a 1st rounder is a 1st rounder. The main point I'm making is that 5 of those were acquired from owners that did well throughout the season, which in turn hopefully means they know what they're doing. Those picks were 1.19(New York Giants at 8-8 owned by Mitch4742), 1.24(Green Bay Packers at 11-5 owned by GrandadB), 1.25(San Diego Chargers at 10-6 owned by jgcruz), 1.27(Seattle Seahawks at 13-3 owned by, at the time, awest827), and 1.31(Buffalo Bills at 13-3 owned by $B$Dog$). All those picks came from what I consider to be just some of the outstanding owners in this league. I find it hard to believe that they would all make deals with me in which they would "realize later how much value they lost".

Even with the early draft picks, 1.1 and 1.2, I didn't target their teams last year to acquire these picks. I acquired those picks back in the 1980 season, no way in knowing those franchises would've ended up with the top picks in the draft. I'm also absolutely sure if you cared enough, you could go to the Paydirt Football League website to find out that I've traded multiple times with multiple teams throughout the past 13 seasons.

Like I said in greyghosts' Game Guide for trading over in Paydirt B, my philosophy is to always seek value in trades, including coming out on top in the trades. That doesn't mean I don't want the other team to be able to profit from the trade either and most importantly I would never intentionally make a trade knowing that it'd destroy the infrastructure of the team's current or future condition.

You complained about the 7 trade offers I sent you. 5 of them were sent in error, of which I withdrew each one. The other 2 involved CB Rayford Ho. Looking at your team I felt that you were close to .500 and I felt that a CB, as old as he is, of his caliber, could push you into contention for your division. I also sent offers to field him to other teams, such as Dallas, Cincinnati, Denver, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, and San Diego. Common denominator? They're all, in my opinion, in win-now mode. Sure I'm throwing out 200 offers, but I try to offer players that could help improve their franchise. Don't like the price? There's always the reject and counter option. Don't like it at all? There's the reject button. Don't care to trade? Just tell me that and you won't receive another offer from me. Duval told me he didn't care to trade, so I let him be. It's really as easy as that.

Your last comment definitely has me curious though, "naturally we don't want others we know to over pay the mechanic, so we warn them. Right?"

Does that mean some owners are warning other owners not to trade with me? Interesting.

Anyways, in the words of someone, I greatly respect, "It's a game."


You keep trying to defend yourself with this "players I traded with have done well".. um you know 12 teams make the playoffs every season right? You can play however you want, but reputation is a real thing and all I'm hearing from you in this post and your DM is you crying about how others perceive you now. You did that to yourself. It's your actions that brought this out. You keep bringing up my secondary which is bad, but why would I trade you my star WLB plus my 1st round pick for your old star DB. You keep talking at me like I'm a bad player because I don't accept your trades... its what you've been doing for 13 seasons obviously. Like a snake in the grass.



And about the last comment I will flatly say it for you..

Everyone should be extremely hesitant to trade with Jouameng. He will intentionally look to rip you off and then try to guilt/shame you into accepting trades when you decline them.

I don't know how to be anymore clear. I know of absolutely zero people who are talking about you behind your back.. there is no need to.. I just said it.




Hesitant or not in my opinion if anyone is feeling like someone is being guilt trip into a trade maybe it wouldn't hurt to send a message to the trade party asking why they took the deal if you feel its lopsided because when it comes to me nobody is guilt tripping me if I'm not satisfied I'm walking away when I make trades I'm thinking down the line I dont expect anyone to see what I'm planning

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Miami Dolphins

By 50051139
12/19/2019 8:37 am
Everyone has their right to challenge any trade and can be anonymous but dont be surprised when someone blows a casket over being challenged when you dont know what somebody else is thinking

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Miami Dolphins

By Lucky
12/19/2019 8:46 am
I'm always gonna be on the side of "fair play" and " good sportsmanship". I know those things are going mean something different to everyone and for some, they don't mean anything at all.

If I was sitting in a room listening to headphones with 6 other people, and 2 of those people asked me to turn down the music because they can hear it through the headphones, and the other 4 tell me I don't have to turn it down because there my headphones and its a free country.. I can do whatever I want etc... I'm still gonna turn down the headphones. ya know, because its not just about me..

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Miami Dolphins

By 50051139
12/19/2019 8:58 am
Lucky wrote:
I'm always gonna be on the side of "fair play" and " good sportsmanship". I know those things are going mean something different to everyone and for some, they don't mean anything at all.

If I was sitting in a room listening to headphones with 6 other people, and 2 of those people asked me to turn down the music because they can hear it through the headphones, and the other 4 tell me I don't have to turn it down because there my headphones and its a free country.. I can do whatever I want etc... I'm still gonna turn down the headphones. ya know, because its not just about me..


And that's honorable but at the same time I just dont want to see people start over challenging trades because they feel someone is cheating the system or not using fair play because if we start doing that when does it become more about the player your challenging vs the actual offer itself I can't speak for mitch and his trades but I do know that like many others I've received offers from joaumeng that are horrendous in my eyes but he can contest that in most cases when I do trade there is a bit of back and forth and trade adjustment before settling on it.

One of the worst trades I've ever accepted was actually fair in the eyes of the committee and wasn't even with joaumeng but that trade in my first season sent me on a spiral that I couldn't recover from with the titans. So I'm just saying conversations with the supposed "victim" of the trade before we start trying to be a savior will go a long way.


I respect everyones even if I dont agree, but the pick is over now let's move on