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Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

By jouameng
2/27/2021 9:41 pm
setherick wrote:
Here's how I see the 4 players:

Elizondo - 10 year, 59 SP, 82 ST
* Going to start dropping SP, AC, and ST
* Potentially 2 years left of playing time
* Real value is a mid-to-late 3 if not less

Gonzalez - 9 year, 77 SP, 96 ST
* Potentially 3 years left of playing time
* Could be worth a 1, but not a high 1 and just judging by TB's record, I suspect both 1's will be in the top 15
* Will drop SP, AC, ST after next season

Clayton (DB) - 9 year, 96 SP
* Will lose 10-20 SP during camp (potentially more) and 10 more points the season after
* Two years left at CB1 or CB4/5 but definitely not a premier RCB (CB2) or slot CB (CB3) anymore
* Real value is a 4

Howard - 3 year, 72 SP, 85 ST, 69 AC, 96 PR, 83/100 RD

* Worth a mid-to-late 1, maybe, but more likely a 2 + 4 read below why
* 72/69 SP/AC means that he'll never be a premier edge rusher and best suited to play the RDE in run defense
* You can find a better, faster edge rusher in the mid to late rounds, and a better run defender in the late rounds as well, Howard is mediocre at both


I have yet to see any players regress until they start contemplating retirement.

Elizondo has 2 years until retirement but still a solid starter until then. Gonzalez has 3 years, and then could be moved to DT to shave off retirement. Clayton has maybe 2 good years of play until he drops off completely. Howard, like Gonzalez, could play in the DT spot if need be, but would still be an above-average starter. He's a complete player with maxed potential in the run game and a 96 pass rush... which led to 6 sacks in 11 games played. Again, I can see where this trade may lean my side, but worth being overturned? I can't see it being worth overturning like I could with the last trade that was overturned.


Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

By CrazyRazor
2/27/2021 9:46 pm
jouameng wrote:
The trade score wasn't taken into account when the trade was offered as the final trade score isn't even close. 4068 to 2421. Trade score didn't play a role. It was simply, Dudley is worth a 1st and can fetch a first from a contending team. Howard is worth a 1st. Clayton/Elizondo for his 2 players. Even IF the value tilted my way and made it a bad trade for him, I still don't feel like it would be a trade worth overturning.



What I'm trying to say is "Your players aren't worth 4068 trade points." They might be worth half that value at best; based on their age. If you had traded all 4 players for the two 1st Rd picks or just Tampa's two players, I wouldn't have had an issue. That's more equal in value based on what you were offering. Your guys are entirely too close to the end of their careers for what this trade went for.
Last edited at 2/27/2021 9:46 pm

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

By setherick
2/27/2021 9:46 pm
Players don't regress until year 9 camp. DL regression isn't as noticeable right away as DB regression, but ST takes a big hit after 10.

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

By jouameng
2/27/2021 9:58 pm
setherick wrote:
Players don't regress until year 9 camp. DL regression isn't as noticeable right away as DB regression, but ST takes a big hit after 10.


I personally haven't seen any of my DL at 9 years regress. LDE Brown(10) still has max speed and hasn't shown any negative change on his card. Elizondo(10) hasn't regressed any as well. I see WR/RB/LB/DB regress after 9 years but never any OL/DL unless they were hampered with injuries throughout their careers.

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

By marinarul10
2/27/2021 10:22 pm
I really do not understand how you guys are so close on accepting this deal.....is impossible to be a good deal for a team to give out two very nice(probably) first rounds and two good backups for almost nothing in return in 2-3 seasons from now .....
P.S. Let's face it DLs are not game changers in case you are trying to say something ......
Last edited at 2/27/2021 10:23 pm

Re: Completed Trade: Carolina Panthers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

By CrazyRazor
2/27/2021 10:43 pm
marinarul10 wrote:
I really do not understand how you guys are so close on accepting this deal.....is impossible to be a good deal for a team to give out two very nice(probably) first rounds and two good backups for almost nothing in return in 2-3 seasons from now .....
P.S. Let's face it DLs are not game changers in case you are trying to say something ......


I'm nowhere near accepting this trade. I'm trying to explain why it wasn't fair for Tampa Bay.