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Position limits

A GM shall NOT insert a player into a position on the depth chart (including overrides) during the regular season which deviates from the following: 1. RB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR. 2. FB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB or TE. 3. TE may include only players whose primary position is FB, TE, WR or an offensive lineman. 4. WR may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR. 5. Offensive line players may only include players whose primary position is offensive lineman or TE. 6. Defensive line players may only include players whose primary position is defensive lineman or LB. 7. LB may only include players whose primary position is LB or S. 8. S may only include players whose primary position is S, CB or LB. 9. CB may only include players whose primary position is CB or S. 10. Special teams rushers against punts shall exclude players whose primary positions are CB, FS, SS or WR. Such players may only be used as Gunners in punt return situations. Any deviation from this rule, as determined by a majority of GMs who vote, shall result in the immediate removal of the offending GM from the Paydirt Football League, who shall also be blocked from rejoining PFL for not less than 30 days thereafter.

Yes, adopt rule.
13
No, reject rule.
9
Abstain
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Re: Position limits

By jgcruz
6/05/2020 8:14 pm
Infinity on Trial wrote:
I appreciate what you are trying to do, but there are easier, less confusing ways. I feel like this isn't the place for me. Best of luck to all.


Sorry to hear that. I bet the rules don’t affect you at all - or most GMs for that matter.

Re: Position limits

By setherick
6/05/2020 8:35 pm
I'm all for position limits, but this doesn't solve the root problem.

I can make a 96 SP CB (191#) a LB or DE. He will AT MOST gain 50# and AT MOST lose 7 SP. That still gives me a 240#, 89 SP speed rusher that I can move all around my DL.

In general, the rule doesn't affect me at all, but it makes me wonder why we're doing it if we care about position and not weight. SP is what breaks the game, and SP is directly tied to weight.

I'm rejecting this, but I'd vote for a weight rule that does similar things.
Last edited at 6/05/2020 8:37 pm

Re: Position limits

By jgcruz
6/05/2020 9:51 pm
setherick wrote:
I'm all for position limits, but this doesn't solve the root problem.

I can make a 96 SP CB (191#) a LB or DE. He will AT MOST gain 50# and AT MOST lose 7 SP. That still gives me a 240#, 89 SP speed rusher that I can move all around my DL.

In general, the rule doesn't affect me at all, but it makes me wonder why we're doing it if we care about position and not weight. SP is what breaks the game, and SP is directly tied to weight.

I'm rejecting this, but I'd vote for a weight rule that does similar things.


I have been waiting for you to chime in, Seth. If you have a better way to deal with this, I’m all ears.

Re: Position limits

By setherick
6/06/2020 7:09 am
I don't know if I have any ideas that are necessarily enforceable without a lot of work by the league owner.

The best I would say is this:

1) No offensive players on defense or vice versa. (There isn't enough difference between a 191# CB and a 197# WR to make that much of a difference, but I know of multiple owners that have iron man type players [the same owners complain about injuries to their stars all the time - but I digress].)

The issue here is when you drop a 90+ SP, 90+ Catch WR to DB. He'll have no cover skills, but he'll end up leading the league in INTs because of how coverage and INTs actually work in the game.

I don't mind when someone takes a DB with 90+ SP and 90+ Avoid Fumble and makes them a WR/RB and so they can play as an RB.

2) No players < 245# on the DL. 245# is MLB weight. It also prevents LBs from hitting the LB break point for SP, which is where everything seems to break down on the DL+OL pass rush vs pass block calculations.

The reason I would say put it at 245# is that allows you to have a Khalil Mack, hyperathletic, underweighted DE type who can use speed and bend to win.

3) No punt block exploits. (I'm still not convinced that the 237# rule will actually prevent this, but I haven't found two LBs that hit the 90 SP breakpoint yet to test with.)

The rest I don't see as game breaking.

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Oh, one thing to note, the average weights are currently 15-20 pounds lighter than your typical NFL weights for many positions and the fixed weight per position is pretty ridiculous.

That's why I used Khalil Mack as an example of an underweight DE. Mack's roster weight last year was 269#. Compare that to Julius Peppers 297# or JJ Watt 288#.
Last edited at 6/06/2020 3:33 pm