The way I see it - Nothing was passed in the designated timeframe last season. That's why the "rule suspension" was brought up in the first place (so we could implement the roster limitations immediately).

As for everyone's concern about "who goes where" - I'm fairly certain you can draft players & move them to desired positions. The concern here is the manipulation of the code. (light weight, speedy players playing on DL AND/OR WR playing DB to take advantage of proximity checks for catches).

Yea so "technically" if we are following the proposal rules this can't take effect until following this season if the proposal rule isn't suspended

That's the way I'm understanding it.

Holy ****. I feel like I’m in 1700s England and Parliament with the formality of all this. Can teams still line up WR/DB to punt rush?

If true, then sad for the league. Several others instituted the rules ASAP. We have to wait a season bc it wasn’t PROPOSED before week 15 or some ****. I’m done. This is crazy.

Does anybody really have an issue with 1 through 9? I'm all for putting a stop to punt blocks, considering the current code state, but that's a lot of text to read.

1) Who cares if a defensive player lines up on offense? I don't even see an advantage here.

2) All of the defensive rules could basically be summarized as this: No offensive players, and no DBs rushing from the DL.

3) If you're going to implement these rules, do it by weight instead of position. Otherwise, you can just make your 200-pound, 96 speed player a DE, or etc.

This is a repeat of what I posted on the 1984 season thread:

It appears we are reaching a breaking point in terms of what is considered fair play. Had we adopted the suggested rule change this likely would not have occurred. Nevertheless, the league's GMs are not powerless to respond.

Again, if a GM wants to propose (and generate at least one second) to have a vote a remove any GM whom they consider to be violating the unwritten code of conduct of fair play, please do so. I will entertain such proposals (and seconds) even through private messages with the caveat that after such a vote I will disclose the moniker of the GM who originally submitted (and seconded) the proposal. (There will be no adverse consequences for requesting such a vote no matter the outcome thereof.)

This game should be fun (as frustrating as it can be at times) and we should not allow any GM(s) to detract from that because of unrealistic and unfair tactics. I recognize we might lose one (or more) GMs over this approach - and perhaps the league will fold - but I would rather play with likeminded GMs who treat the game and each other with respect.

This is a repeat of what I have posted on the 1984 season thread:

I have already received a private message from a GM who claims the tactic of using players unrealistically threatens the camaraderie of the league - and therefore its long term future. I ask the offending GM(s) to think twice before he (they) game the system further. Otherwise, it's up the the league's GMs to step up and protect the integrity of the game. I urge you to do so before it's too late.

If any GM feels I should handle this matter differently, please let me know. PMs are acceptable but not necessary.

I have been contacted by a number of GMs who have expressed their dissatisfaction with the direction in which the league is going as it relates to players playing out of position. I happen to agree with them.

Despite what has been said about its lack of unsportsman-like behavior, I am now aware of two GMs who are using WRs as DBs. Sorry, but this tactic (among others) is totally unacceptable.

I remind everyone that although the majority of GMs agreed that players should be limited in terms of positions on the filed, there was slight disagreement about the timing of adopting the new rule. Nevertheless, at the risk of losing one or more GMs, beginning with upcoming Game 4, Paydirt will have a ZERO TOLERANCE for violations of any of the following rules during the regular and post season:

1. CBs may only include players whose primary position is CB or S. (If a GM wants to employ a WR at either of these positions during a game, he may do so only if he changes the WR's primary position to CB or S prior to that game.)

2. Defensive line players may only include players whose primary position is defensive lineman or LB. (With the same freedom/limitation described above to change a player's primary position prior to a game.)

3. LBs may only include players whose primary position is LB or S. (With the same freedom/limitation described above to change a player's primary position prior to a game.)

4. Special team rushers against punts shall exclude players whose primary positions are CB, FS, SS or WR.

Any GM who is shown to violate any of the above will be immediately removed from the league and such GM's team will be offered to the first person who asks to take it over.

I encourage all GMs to assist in enforcing this mandate. As the next game is not played until Sunday night (three days from now), each GM now has the weekend to examine his depth chart to avoid being penalized. Please take advantage of this opportunity.

I also ask each GM to be ready to recruit new players if we lose one or more GMs after we implement the new rules. A primary goal should be to always have a full roster of GMs rather then to have the AI take over a tem.

Is this the perfect way to deal with the issue? Possibly not. But we shouldn't allow our pursuit of perfection impede our quest for something better than what we have.

As always, please also do not hesitate to give me feedback. Thanks.

P.S. I will post this announcement on several threads. Please bear with the redundancy.

I am all in favor of league admins using their authority to curtail glaring exploits — like punt blocks and 96-speed CBs blitzing from DE — but as I mentioned before, there are some needless problems with the way these rules are written that will allow for obvious confusion and circumventing. You can just change your WR to CB and continue to play him at WR. And why on earth would we ban using a 280-pound DE at linebacker?

I appreciate the feedback.

What you are saying is true about changing WR to CB and continuing to play him at WR. That being the case, it makes sense to adopt the entire position limits which were under consideration earlier, i.e., the proposal on which we voted.

Therefore, we'll adopt immediately the entire proposal on which we voted (and most GMs supported). Please note this allows for Defensive Linemen to play Linebacker and visa versa, among other things.

Sorry for the confusion, but my (our) goal is to try to make PFL as realistic as it can be made given the coding limitations and deficiencies. However, if a case can be made in the future to alter any of the rules to make the game more realistic, we will do so.

For the sake of clarity, the entire new rule is set forth below:

Position Limits

A GM shall NOT insert a player into a position on the depth chart (including overrides) during the regular or post season which deviates from the following:

1. RB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR.

2. FB may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB or TE.

3. TE may include only players whose primary position is FB, TE, WR or an offensive lineman.

4. WR may include only players whose primary position is RB, FB, TE or WR.

5. Offensive line players may only include players whose primary position is offensive lineman or TE.

6. Defensive line players may only include players whose primary position is defensive lineman or LB.

7. LB may only include players whose primary position is LB or S.

8. S may only include players whose primary position is S, CB or LB.

9. CB may only include players whose primary position is CB or S.

10. Special teams rushers against punts shall exclude players whose primary positions are CB, FS, SS or WR. Such players may only be used as Gunners in punt return situations.

Any deviation from this rule shall result in the immediate removal of the offending GM from the Paydirt Football League (PFL), who shall be prohibited from rejoining PFL for a period of not less than 30 days, and otherwise at the discretion of the League Administrator or by the vote of a majority of GMs.

I appreciate what you are trying to do, but there are easier, less confusing ways. I feel like this isn't the place for me. Best of luck to all.