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Re: Rules Debate

By OffensiveTaco
2/22/2020 4:11 pm
For those new owners that enter the B league, I think they would need some feedback on there game to game performance so that they can better educate themselves! For example, say after every game or a quarterly report, they have a private message sent out to them indicating where their overall team performance is at, by team stats, eg. If a team is struggling with their run defense, make a recommendation such as, use better play calls, or stop using these plays.
Gather a history of Mad Seth's forum posts (which helped me) and create a forum section.

The point is, don't have these rookie GM's play game after game not knowing what the **** is going on! They need direction, insight, and educate them through what plays are not working and what plays they should be calling, Etc,
Last edited at 2/22/2020 7:33 pm

Re: Rules Debate

By OffensiveTaco
2/22/2020 4:13 pm
When I first entered the league, I must admit there were a lot of things that I wasn't aware of that were vital in the game! But by careful observation I picked up quickly, but I believe what kept me in the game and not discouraged was my passion for the game, and I really wanted to succeed for progress!

Re: Rules Debate

By Meatmen
2/23/2020 9:51 pm
Beercloud wrote:
I'd like to introduce a debate that involves Paydirt B's tie to Paydirt.

The CC has discussed this and i want to open it up to league. As I've expressed to the CC, Im not happy with the participation level of Paydirt B. Currently there are 5 open teams and 6 counting the team Im trying to repair. Along with the openings their are only a few GM's that are active on the forums. Not only is this unacceptable it is not viable. That league was setup as a stepping stone into Paydirt and a place to go for fired Paydirt GM's to re-establish themselves back into Paydirt. This has not turned out to be the case.

There have been some good ideas presented by the CC on the cause and possible cures for it. One potential cause was that rookie GM's could be getting drowned out by more experienced GM's and losing interest.

A couple of solutions suggested were to make it mandatory for Paydirt B GM's to graduate up when an opportunity arises. Another was to open a "rookie only" league for GM's with 1 yr or less experience with a mandatory gradation up tp Paydirt B after that. Both ideas presented have their challenges with GM participation and retention. But they also have upsides as well.

I'd like to hear your thoughts including from the CC. So fire away.



I sort of agree with macrovil's idea...this is (or was supposed to be) a learning league and a chance for redemption for fired GM's. I don't think adding another 32 teams is the answer though.....it is proving to be hard enough to staff 2 leagues right now. How do you kick out the experienced guys. I came over BC there were not enough GM's at draft time. I think I have a fairly good team going in the SHOCKERZ....still needs work.. I have offered it to beercloud for a rookie to take over and I will move to a rebuild.

I think the answer is a mandatory advancement for GM's with over 2 years (RL)? If you win the hector bowl? x = amount of playoff wins/ appearances? it's up for discussion. The other is that ALL GM's with less than a year,? six month's? in MFN or x = amount of under .500 seasons in Paydirt be assigned a mentor. no and's, if's, or ****'s! for at least preseason & depending on the situation longer.

I am not talking about giving them the keys to the city....basic knowledge...did you watch the videos at the beginning of the game....share info from the forums that helped you get better.
Jsid's contract extension wizard,Mad seth's guides, Grey Ghosts series from last season should be a pretty good base of knowledge. There is so much more out there. How to spot players....or not... how to set up player weights. Basic game play and BASIC strategy. Finding plays and advanced gameplay should be left to the individual and you can help...a lil but they should learn on their own.. Yes, you should personalize it....with out giving up your own game.
Probably, the challenge I run into most is fixing a screwed up cap..... the toughest thing is to tell a new GM, you have to cut viable players and replace them with a maybe (?) guy or else you will lose the best players if the AI takes over...no you can't trade and make offers to FA's or maybe even have to trade away draft picks bc you have no $$...
Sounds like a lot HUH? Remember when you were a NOOB? Do you remember the first guy who traded you 2 washed up 80 rated players for a draft pick? or a 3rd year star? HA HA ! still happens to me today.....lol. I don't really want us to mentor super bowls champs...just take a guy/girl under our wing and help avoid the disasters in the big league...Basics...and ANY veteran GM that participates in paydirt B should be a mentor or move on.,...

Re: Rules Debate

By Meatmen
2/23/2020 10:21 pm
hectorg93 wrote:
I don't know if this is the right place to put it in, but I would like to propose that the two trade limit per team to team be disregarded during the draft period. I've only been for one draft in this league and looking in the forums we are a very active league that trades. If this proposal doesn't go through then maybe at least being able to double it to 4 trades per team to team BUT only during the draft period.


The trade limit per season. It exists to prevent scenario's that were once abused in the public leagues. The rule would be moot if we allowed iit to be circumvented at any point during the season...We have had multiple debates and requests...(myself included) to change or alter the league's adopted policies...not thinking this will fly....

While we are on the subject....I am not one to take away anyone's personal freedoms. Further reducing or adding restrictions on free trade is a tough issue. I think our trade agreement is just fine. I do, however, feel that the trading of picks is being abused. I am not the only one, I regularly speak with many GM's in Paydirt and this issue is a source of irritation. So, I am introducing a measure to either limit the # of total picks ?, limit the # of top 1-3 picks? OR perhaps a draft lottery? Reverse order? to make it tougher within trade guidelines....we are the best. overcome.....addapt..... IDK? Your thoughts gentlemen....I know that each man has his own approach and style of playing the game...I am not accusing or pointing fingers...just putting this out for debate...............MM
Last edited at 2/23/2020 10:26 pm

Re: Rules Debate

By Meatmen
2/23/2020 11:30 pm
Meatmen wrote:
hectorg93 wrote:
I don't know if this is the right place to put it in, but I would like to propose that the two trade limit per team to team be disregarded during the draft period. I've only been for one draft in this league and looking in the forums we are a very active league that trades. If this proposal doesn't go through then maybe at least being able to double it to 4 trades per team to team BUT only during the draft period.


The trade limit per season. It exists to prevent scenario's that were once abused in the public leagues. The rule would be moot if we allowed iit to be circumvented at any point during the season...We have had multiple debates and requests...(myself included) to change or alter the league's adopted policies...not thinking this will fly....

While we are on the subject....I am not one to take away anyone's personal freedoms. Further reducing or adding restrictions on free trade is a tough issue. I think our trade agreement is just fine. I do, however, feel that the trading of picks is being abused. I am not the only one, I regularly speak with many GM's in Paydirt and this issue is a source of irritation. So, I am introducing a measure to either limit the # of total picks ?, limit the # of top 1-3 picks? OR perhaps a draft lottery? Reverse order? to make it tougher within trade guidelines....we are the best. overcome.....addapt..... IDK? Your thoughts gentlemen....I know that each man has his own approach and style of playing the game...I am not accusing or pointing fingers...just putting this out for debate...............MM


OR should we limit/prohibit the # of picks altogether? at ANY time? IDK? what the answer is but I feel a change is in order

Re: Rules Debate

By 50051139
2/23/2020 11:49 pm
if you keep limiting the restrictions on trades your gonna deter people even more from wanting to join the league already only allowing only 2 trades with each team when only 7 teams seemed to ever trade hurts especially when you consider one of those trade may simply be to move back picks that are otherwise gonna be wasted. Or in a situation where cap space becomes an issue you limit options of creating space because now your stuck with just cutting players. When it comes to the mandatory stuff you also gotta realize that a lot of the issue come from the current state of the MFN. its one thing to have trouble getting new players but its another when long standing players are on the verge of quitting all together. If we start implementing all these major rules and forcing people out of leagues your bound to lost people regardless. I know trying some changes could be the answer, but i just wanted to voice a side of caution if these ideas hit the vote floor, because overall is until the game feels more like football again it will be hard to get anyone to join or continue to play this game.

Re: Rules Debate

By 50051139
2/23/2020 11:52 pm
Might i also say that maybe it is time to start consolidating down the number of leagues going around MFN and begin talking to some of these other commissioners about bringing together some of these leagues

Re: Rules Debate

By 50051139
2/23/2020 11:53 pm
50051139 wrote:
Might i also say that maybe it is time to start consolidating down the number of leagues going around MFN and begin talking to some of these other commissioners about bringing together some of these leagues


aka a connected world where some these other commisoners can run as affiliates to the top leagues.

Re: Rules Debate

By 50051139
2/23/2020 11:56 pm
one more thing big time moves might not be necessary as well there are over 40 leagues in MFN and only 7 are completely full again why i alluded to being that instead of major rules changes we should consider having Commisoners come together across the MFN

Re: Rules Debate

By Meatmen
2/24/2020 12:05 am
50051139 wrote:
if you keep limiting the restrictions on trades your gonna deter people even more from wanting to join the league already only allowing only 2 trades with each team when only 7 teams seemed to ever trade hurts especially when you consider one of those trade may simply be to move back picks that are otherwise gonna be wasted. Or in a situation where cap space becomes an issue you limit options of creating space because now your stuck with just cutting players. When it comes to the mandatory stuff you also gotta realize that a lot of the issue come from the current state of the MFN. its one thing to have trouble getting new players but its another when long standing players are on the verge of quitting all together. If we start implementing all these major rules and forcing people out of leagues your bound to lost people regardless. I know trying some changes could be the answer, but i just wanted to voice a side of caution if these ideas hit the vote floor, because overall is until the game feels more like football again it will be hard to get anyone to join or continue to play this game.


This is the reason I approach this carefully...the 2 trade limit between teams has worked for 12 seasons now an should stand. OK, trade picks, move them back, but the idea of one guy (sorry jouameng you my example) having 7-10 #1 picks don't feel like football either. I understand his game now that we have spoken, it's all good, all about the exploits....THE last thing I want is to limit trades any further.....That being said......lets make it tougher come draft time. Hey it's just a thought............................MM