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Re: 1978 Season

By 50051139
3/08/2019 11:00 am
GrandadB wrote:
My DE's are a both a pretty good story and should be of interest to those who really get into the ratings and player evaluation. LDE Camp had an outstanding season in 77. He racked up 25 sacks, finished 2nd behind Ragg's/Miami's 28. I posted about that once before, and there were a couple of theories posted about why he did so well given his low Ai default rating of 63. My updated weights have him rated at 61. I dont expect another 20 sack season from him, especially with 4.5, where the sacks will probably be cut in half. Its also his 14th season but he is still doing a good job so far in the pre-season. His trade value is 9...... lol.

My other DE, Bennet King, had a 14 sack total last season. He is a little easier to figure as the Ai has him at 62 and my weights have him rated 8 points higher at 70. He has gotten 2 sacks in the 3 pre-season games so far, its his 10th season. Most any, if not all, team owners should want a DE like him on their team, based on his stats. But, his trade value you may ask? 48.

When you trade, I would highly recommend that you check the player's stats, if you dont already do so. There are quite a few, like these 2 DE's, who play at a much higher level than what their ratings suggest. And vice-versa, there are 90 raters who dont play up to their rating and are not worth huge contract bids out of FA or a trade meter value of 1800+.


personally i feel the trade meter needs to be abolished its so off and feels like a trap more times then not. also doesnt help with the game engine changing so much over the past few seasons but at this point im not sure whats positive about it

Re: 1978 Season

By GrandadB
3/08/2019 11:32 am
The trade meter was meant to be a safeguard to prevent unbalanced, unfair, or intentionally lopsided trades. It has done more good than bad by far, imho. It could use some tuning up, which I suggest should include player performance as part of the trade value. But, there's the other side of the coin that makes player performance questionable, like play selection and/or other position effects (like pass rush affected by coverage or qb/receivers/pass protection). As for DE's, their position is more on its own, although the level of the secondary and coverage has some bearing on the position performance. And now in 4.5, there will be a reduction in sacks, in exchange for better coverage (qb ratings have dropped significantly in the leagues that Ive been playing 4.5). So, if you give up a lot to trade for a DE with a trade value of 1500-2400, I would suggest you might keep that in mind and check the DE's sack ratio (sacks/# of plays).
Last edited at 3/08/2019 11:34 am

Re: 1978 Season

By Mcarovil
3/08/2019 5:47 pm
At a minimum the trade meter needs tweaking. You can have a default 75 OL no matter what the attributes are and he fetches 550-900 sometimes more on the meter same for a DB is like 200-400. OL and WR seems to have the most unbalanced value. It’s a joke actually.
GrandadB wrote:
The trade meter was meant to be a safeguard to prevent unbalanced, unfair, or intentionally lopsided trades. It has done more good than bad by far, imho. It could use some tuning up, which I suggest should include player performance as part of the trade value. But, there's the other side of the coin that makes player performance questionable, like play selection and/or other position effects (like pass rush affected by coverage or qb/receivers/pass protection). As for DE's, their position is more on its own, although the level of the secondary and coverage has some bearing on the position performance. And now in 4.5, there will be a reduction in sacks, in exchange for better coverage (qb ratings have dropped significantly in the leagues that Ive been playing 4.5). So, if you give up a lot to trade for a DE with a trade value of 1500-2400, I would suggest you might keep that in mind and check the DE's sack ratio (sacks/# of plays).
Last edited at 3/08/2019 5:48 pm

Re: 1978 Season

By Meatmen
3/09/2019 12:15 am
50051139 wrote:
jouameng wrote:
[quote="Meatmen"]Never upset sir.. The Chiefs players speak the loudest on the field....never beaten us in regular or preseason. I am looking forward to the day we meet in the post season. You are mistaken we made the PO in our first season 1974. Some would say I was riding Seth"s coattails and they might be right. others would say I was just bunz..

So are you braggin bout getting my picks for a bust? You keep hoarding those picks sir. Have at it. The future of my team depends upon ME ....not a single pick...I've
gotta focus on beating the real pros in my division not an Icon from a long beaten team fro a year ago...look me up when you can beat the CHIEFS.........Hacunna matada .MM

BTW GG for the preseason ...........MM


Beautiful game played by your team, I should've been expecting the super bowl like gameplan by how long it took you to that original message respond. Forgive me if I was mistaken when I said you were "upset" that's just my assumption when I get blocked by an opposing owner. It is disappointing that the Panthers have yet to beat the Chiefs but personally, I'm more interested in the bigger picture of making it to the playoffs and beyond than specific matchups.

Also for clarification, I'm definitely not bragging about getting your picks for a bust. I genuinely hoped he would've boomed or even hit his potential when I traded him to you, there were no ill wishes in that trade.

I'm also starting to wonder whether your division is filled with "real pros" or whether the AFC West is just filled with teams that beat up on each other to bolster their wins... Always seems like when they get to the bright lights of the postseason the Chargers and Raiders just can't quite seem to get over the hump(With the exception of Sethericks' incredible 72" season)

Regardless, I sincerely wish you the best of luck this season and maybe we'll meet in the postseason. The perfect place to break that win streak. ;)



ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote

]By jgcruz
3/06/2019 12:50 pm
The AFC West has the best collective record (percentage wise) against all other divisions since the inception of the league. It can't bolster that by beating up on one another. Just like every other division, it is .500 (equal wins and losses).

In a post last season (division wanderings) Grey ghost discovered:
I obviously have too much time on my hands. I was thinking if the basement dwellers of each division were not included in the numbers, which would be the most winning division. The first number represents the win totals without the basement dwellers and the 2nd number indicates overall win by each division. (Den., Buf., Balt, Indy, Philly, S.F., Chi, and N.O. were not included)

1. AFC West 35-43
2. AFC North 30-35
2. NFC North 30-35
4. NFC West 29-30
5. AFC East 28-30
6. NFC South 27-30
7. NFC East 24-29
8. AFC South 21-2

and recently beercloud added

By Beercloud - League Admin
3/07/2019 9:20 am
The only thing that counts. :)

Super Bowl Titles
NFC: 5
AFC: 3

NFC East: 2
NFC West: 2
NFC South: 1

AFC North: 1
AFC West: 1
AFC: East 1
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I meant no disrespect sir... I believed that you were upset with my remark about your trade offers and you being a PITA... and I apologize for that remark. Neither I nor the Chiefs wish you any I'll will. It was such a boring off season. Thought I might stir the pot a bit. The only way we will meet this season is in the LC and that's fine by me I'd finally like to get a shot at the Panthers when it really matters...Have a great season sir ......MM
Last edited at 3/09/2019 12:17 am

Re: 1978 Season

By Mcarovil
3/09/2019 8:14 am
Nobody, I mean nobody picks a fight with Carolina. That’s our job. And the Saints go marching on!

Re: 1978 Season

By Duval
3/09/2019 6:28 pm
GrandadB wrote:
The trade meter was meant to be a safeguard to prevent unbalanced, unfair, or intentionally lopsided trades. It has done more good than bad by far, imho. It could use some tuning up, which I suggest should include player performance as part of the trade value. But, there's the other side of the coin that makes player performance questionable, like play selection and/or other position effects (like pass rush affected by coverage or qb/receivers/pass protection). As for DE's, their position is more on its own, although the level of the secondary and coverage has some bearing on the position performance. And now in 4.5, there will be a reduction in sacks, in exchange for better coverage (qb ratings have dropped significantly in the leagues that Ive been playing 4.5). So, if you give up a lot to trade for a DE with a trade value of 1500-2400, I would suggest you might keep that in mind and check the DE's sack ratio (sacks/# of plays).



The main problem I have with the trade score is that you will receive offers so ridiculous sometimes, and in such quick succession from the same few people, it seems like they aren't really trying to make a trade as much as they are fishing for anyone to accept. I can't help but feel like a lot of players (new players obviously) get taken with one of these lopsided trades because the point score adds up. I don't really want to compete against a league with a handful of players doing this. Season after season, it becomes lopsided. If those players are actually good players, they have a massive advantage.

Most of the time when I'm offering a player for trade, I ask for about half point value with a few exceptions
Last edited at 3/09/2019 6:29 pm

Re: 1978 Season

By Meatmen
3/12/2019 6:10 am
GG Lions.....I only hope we fair so well when we meet for Realz...

This one hellofva defensive battle one of the most bruatl halves I've ever seen, IDK how you didn't get the saftey in the 2Q. I lost 2 critical division games that (i Believe) cost me a playoff spot by my coach going for it on 4th down..Trust me I was SHOCKED to see him go for it on a 4th and 8 in the 3Q down by only 3? but hey we got 17 out of it and that seeded to be the difference..hope he has the smarts to used it again when it counts..MM
Last edited at 3/12/2019 7:01 am

Re: 1978 Season

By Meatmen
3/12/2019 6:13 am
Mcarovil wrote:
Nobody, I mean nobody picks a fight with Carolina. That’s our job. And the Saints go marching on!


LOL MARCH on my Brotha...;P

Re: 1978 Season

By Beercloud
3/12/2019 7:21 am
As we get ready to kickoff the 1978 season, the 9th annual Beercloud Predictions will be up sometime today. Sim is delayed a day as usual to get your cuts made, trades negotiated and rosters in order.

We only have one rookie GM this season so far who is broncos7nuggets in Denver. Keep an eye on the trade grid for limits met. Im sure everyone will be aiming at our defending Super Bowl champion Miami Dolphins. Hope everyone has a great season.

Good luck to everyone.

Last edited at 3/12/2019 7:21 am

Re: 1978 Season

By Beercloud
3/13/2019 8:23 am
The 9th Annual Beercloud Predictions are up.

There are some incredibly important games already in week one. There are 10 division games to kickoff the season. Week 1 could set the tone for a few divisions.


Games to keep an eye on:
Washington @ Dallas
Cleveland @ Cincinnati
New England @ New York Jets
Tennessee @ Jacksonville
Carolina @ Seattle