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Re: Rules Debate

By Beercloud
3/14/2020 10:02 am
CrazyRazor wrote:
I wanna know what the decision is on changing or clarifying the rule on 1st Rd draft picks.


You must always show a first round pick on your team card.

https://paydirt.myfootballnow.com/forums/4/96?page=1#5829
Last edited at 3/14/2020 10:09 am

Re: Rules Debate

By CrazyRazor
3/14/2020 10:36 am
Okay. Thank you.

Now I wanna put in an official request for a vote to change the rule. As long as a team has a 1st Rd pick in a current 3 season window, they should be allowed to trade other 1st Rd picks.

If the vote passes, I would like it to be effective in the following season
Last edited at 3/14/2020 10:41 am

Re: Rules Debate

By Smirt211
3/14/2020 10:39 am
Agreed - most trades occur during the draft period. Why handcuff GMs; especially in a league where the FA is presumably as arid as over in the USFL. (aka the Pine Barrens) :)


Re: Rules Debate

By Beercloud
3/15/2020 4:29 pm
CrazyRazor wrote:
Now I wanna put in an official request for a vote to change the rule. As long as a team has a 1st Rd pick in a current 3 season window, they should be allowed to trade other 1st Rd picks.


If you would like to put a rule up to vote please post it in the Rules Proposal thread. Post the rule in detail.

And remember the rule may not be debated in the Rules Proposal thread. Keep the debating over here.

Re: Rules Debate

By Beercloud
3/15/2020 5:06 pm
Back to the debate. Let me give you guys a lil insight on how this rule came to be.

We had to come up with a means to curb GM's from decimating a team then leave. So a couple of ideas were up for debate with one of those being to eliminate all trades during the draft. The league finally came to the conclusion of all teams having at least 1 1st round pick. We simplified this for tracking purposes. So that anytime a GM or CC looks at a teams card their should be a 1st rounder showing. If not that trade was in violation and should not be made. Pretty simple.

If you guys decide to change this keep in mind that every teams card will need to be checked between the final Early FA stage and the 1st round begins. How many minutes before the draft? 1 minute before, an hr before, 12 hrs before etc......? Because I guarantee you somebody will push the envelope. Just as it was done this draft even though it is very clear and simple to follow. You'll need to close any potential loop holes.

So now your gonna have to have somebody check this.(it will not be me). Will it be the CC? Maybe a free for all where everybody can ck it when ever they want? It will need to be structured so that it will be easy for all GM's to ck on each other. And dont forget the whole decimating teams then leaving thing that has to be consider.

So keep all this in mind when you structure and word a proposal.

Re: Rules Debate

By CrazyRazor
3/15/2020 10:03 pm
Beercloud wrote:
CrazyRazor wrote:
Now I wanna put in an official request for a vote to change the rule. As long as a team has a 1st Rd pick in a current 3 season window, they should be allowed to trade other 1st Rd picks.


If you would like to put a rule up to vote please post it in the Rules Proposal thread. Post the rule in detail.

And remember the rule may not be debated in the Rules Proposal thread. Keep the debating over here. [/quote]

CrazyRazor wrote:
[quote="Beercloud"]Rule Change Passed and starts 1979.

Team owners must always have at least 1 first round pick showing on your future draft picks page.


I would like to propose a serious discussion on the clarity, phrasing, and changing of this rule. I have a major issue with forcing a GM to have a 1st Rd draft pick in one of two seasons for a period of 4 days. Especially when those 4 days are during a draft & trading is most active during that period of time.

I can completely agree with having a 1st Rd draft pick in one of three seasons before & after the draft. That 4 day window is too small to be affecting trading the way it just did.


As you can see here, I did propose a debate & it was ignored by you, Beercloud. (Page 18 of this thread) You never mentioned it until I questioned about it a second time.

I'll happily move my propal of a rule change over to the "Rule Proposal Thread". Thank you for finally, directly discussing this at sone length
Last edited at 3/15/2020 10:16 pm

Re: Rules Debate

By CrazyRazor
3/15/2020 10:11 pm
Beercloud wrote:
Back to the debate. Let me give you guys a lil insight on how this rule came to be.

We had to come up with a means to curb GM's from decimating a team then leave. So a couple of ideas were up for debate with one of those being to eliminate all trades during the draft. The league finally came to the conclusion of all teams having at least 1 1st round pick. We simplified this for tracking purposes. So that anytime a GM or CC looks at a teams card their should be a 1st rounder showing. If not that trade was in violation and should not be made. Pretty simple.

If you guys decide to change this keep in mind that every teams card will need to be checked between the final Early FA stage and the 1st round begins. How many minutes before the draft? 1 minute before, an hr before, 12 hrs before etc......? Because I guarantee you somebody will push the envelope. Just as it was done this draft even though it is very clear and simple to follow. You'll need to close any potential loop holes.

So now your gonna have to have somebody check this.(it will not be me). Will it be the CC? Maybe a free for all where everybody can ck it when ever they want? It will need to be structured so that it will be easy for all GM's to ck on each other. And dont forget the whole decimating teams then leaving thing that has to be consider.

So keep all this in mind when you structure and word a proposal.


Of course, we could just leave things the way they are.Cleveland & New York could reverse the trade per the stipulations.
After that is done, I would strongly recommend to both teams that they go ahead and revisit the trade. Since it no longer falls under the rule that required the reversal.
We could definitely go that route. I don't have a problem with that.

Furthermore, you would not have to police things as closely as you believe. All you have to do is check the picks every time there's a trade involving a 1st Rd pick. That's not that difficult. Good grief, if your asking fir someone to do it, I suppose I could. Certain individuals seem to think I need to be a little more involved here than I am, presently.

Re: Rules Debate

By Beercloud
3/16/2020 12:08 pm
The Cleveland / NYJ is finisihed business and not up for debate.
Refer back to the trade thread.

To reiterate again, both teams will conduct a trade back of the assets per the thread. Both assets are frozen until after next years draft. They may not re-trade those assets directly or indirectly.

I will post the progress of this in that trade thread as it becomes available.


Re: Rules Debate

By dd35
3/16/2020 5:10 pm
Thread Originally moved from Proposals:

Facts and Issue: The competition committee serves an excellent purpose to monitor the trading within the league. The goal of the committee is to ensure fairness of competition throughout the league and ensure deals aren’t structured in one’s favor to offset the competitive playing field. However, when a trade is in question, the competition committee votes in a closed door session and no feedback is provided about why a decision was made. This is problematic in the fact that the current system doesn’t create a shared understanding for all owners of deals that are acceptable and not. With transparency and feedback, in theory, we would create a league with less trade challenges because all owners will understand lines that can’t be crossed.

Rule Proposal: Upon making a decision regarding a trade challenge, each member of the competition committee must submit a justification for why he or she voted the way they did. These justifications will be sent to the Commissioner (Beercloud) who will publish them anonymously with the verdict in the forum post of the trade in question. The league Commissioner will then lock the thread so no further comments can be made.

Response from Beercloud:
This proposal is dead in the water. GM's can already request this via pm or on the trade thread. Have you tried either of these methods?

The CC has never had a problem answering this request to date. If they haven't gotten back to your pm then contact either jgcruz or myself and we will try to contact them. No need to contact us on a request via the trade thread as I can see that.

This thread is for GM's to post their rules proposal only.
Debate or give your opinion in the rules debate thread to help keep this area clean.
Otherwise other proposals can get lost in the clutter. And they prolly wont appreciate that. It's always best to post your initial ideas in the Debate thread to get some feedback before jumping into the proposal section.


Apologies for posting in the wrong forum. But there is no way this proposal should be dead in the water. I have requested justifications via the forums with no response. An unwritten rule holds no one accountable and can be ignored when its convenient for those in power.

The goal of this league should be transparency. Clearly many people have been upset with the number of challenges in recent seasons. This is a way to start creating a shared understanding and minimizing the number of challenges and what people identify as off balance trades. I once again am emphasizing this so it will be formally written in the rule book as a duty of all who vote in a trade review

Re: Rules Debate

By dd35
4/01/2020 3:21 pm
If we are going to keep the competition committee, what is everyone's thoughts on removing the minimum trade score.

As a team that has been trying to rebuild, I have tried to accumulate draft picks for my veterans. However, I often cant make a deal happen because the veteran I am trying to trade has a trade score that is too high to trade for a 7th rounder (or even a 6th) and no one will give up a higher pick for the player. But when I release the player, they are signed very quickly.

All of the trades could still be reviewed, but it would allow teams trying to move veterans cheap to do so and still get some value.